someone saw the documentary we just referred to about daisy bates. what can you say about her? tell that story, please. >> one of the great things about the documentary is daisy had great style. she looked good. she wore great sunglasses. her hats were impeccable. but she was also taking on, and i think the film makes a nice mark on that. she was taking on men in the african-american community asserting leadership. >> how did you know her? we knew her because the family had the newspaper. the arkansas state press. and it was a journal that we all read. she sued the little rock school board the year before we were admitted to adhere to the decision. mrs. baitsz served as a mentor. she had the flow of information. all the journalists from around the world. she helped to keep us grounded. we were trying to finish out our studies for the year. how are we educating the heart to recognize the humanity of all people? the activity that's been going on among these presidents, among the administration, and it's important to us to tell the story that doctor king's statue didn't just appear

someone saw the documentary we just referred to about daisy bates. what can you say about her? did you meet her? and yes, you did. but tell that story, please. >> well, i said that one of the great things about that documentary, daisy had great style. she looked good. she wore great sunglasses. her hats were impeccable. but she was also taking on, and i think the film makes a nice mark on that. she was taking on men in the african-american community asserting leadership. >> how did you know her? you got to tell this. >> well, mrs. bates was president of the arkansas naacp. she was a state president. we knew her because the family had the weekly newspaper, "the arkansas state press." and it was a journal that we all read. so when time came, there were -- she had sued the little rock school board the year before we were admitted to adhere to the '54 decision. and when we were finally admitted to central, and mrs. bates sort of served as the mentor and the -- her house was the focal point where we gathered. she had the flow of information from all the journalists from around the wo

you're processing, so the way that limb rock was a series -- was a challenge from the state naacp daisy bates, and there's a documentary that i think public television has been doing on mrs. bates, but the moment came that i had a chance to say that i wanted to transfer. i wanted to transfer because you saw this huge building. you passed it every day. you knew that i came out of a family of teachers, and they always complained about the resources that central had as compared to what we had, the hand-me-down books, so -- and i figured i wanted to get the best college education i could, so if i want to central, and they had more of what we wanted to have, that this was going to be a good thing. the summer occurs, and it's kind of bumping along, and i get an invitation, my mother and i, to go down to the superintendent's office to indicate that i've been accepted as one of the students to transfer to central that fall. i thought it was going to be a fairly quiet day. and up until -- and so did most people in little rock, and the night before school was to open, the good governor orville faubus c

found activist resulting from that, and in my case in little rock the weekly paper, the bates, daisy bates and her husband l.c. ran, he was a veteran of world war ii, and you felt the impact of that. >> okay. >> it was something -- and the other point about it is that it probably -- it spurred activism in a lot of ways. my mother was a schoolteacher, and she was part of the suit that -- for equal pay between black and white teachers. in fact, a lot of the public school deseg cases arose out of equal teacher pay activity, and the lawyer that organized the case in the '40s in little rock was marshall, thurgood marshall. and you get brushed again, that thurgood marshall couldn't stay in the holiday inn or the sheraton or whatever in little rock. he was staying at various houses, and they stayed -- he stayed at our house for a couple of times. so being involved in it -- in this unintended consequences out of the return of black veterans i think had a lot to do with spurring the modern civil rights movement. >> callie, permit me to dramatize that briefly. >> mm-hmm. >> when an african-american