the chances of getting kicked are higher for sure. >> like nash dake, cary is also an ab-109 inmate. carey has been in the five-month old horse program since its inception and plays a sort of big brother role to dake. >> everybody is instructing everybody as they go along. if i got a guy that's going to be with me for a long time, i can mold him and then i can pass that on and say, okay, you want to take these guys and show them the basics that you've already learned. and i can move on to other guys and show them a little more advanced. >> everything that joe has taught us i've been able to train and get the new guys to follow through. nash is getting used to being around the horses. he hasn't done this at all. >> we learn to work together as a team to get jobs done and also just follow rules and instructions. i mean, that's probably why they're here, is because they said, no, i'm not going to follow the rules. i'm going to do it my way. now they're learning through going through these experiences the rewards of following along like they're supposed to. >> we go with the grain and fl