some i felt quite personally, things like betty crocker and dale carnegie. and the webster chapter which is so detailed on noah webster and his contributions and we'll talk about that in a moment. i do want to ask you to begin with, because your idea seems like such a big idea and it seems also -- now that it has come to fruition, it seems like such a mature idea. how did you come to telling this story, which is to say a grouping of texts, but they are not literary texts? >> yeah, sure, and i am talking to those that have not read the entire book yet, and i was interested in the gap between mythology and a sense of, you know, greek mythology and the stories we tell about america and in wanting to write, what for me was a book about average life in america, and i love talking about great novels and mark twain, and a lot of people asked why isn't mark twain on the list, and the cannon of books that i was looking at is die tkabg particular books, a book teaching you something, so i wanted to look at books that were daily books, once you would consult every day

justin trudeau, had he read dale carnegie's book, "how to win friends and influence people," he couldghter] instead, they are calling them nazis. >> jesse: the elite cupcake? delicious. [laughter] i am impressed canada is making the news. i've been in this business for 20 years. [laughter] we had the mayor who smokes crack in toronto. i have not heard a peep from toronto since the crack-smoking mayor. we should send these truckers down to texas. i don't like how trudeau is fielding democrat talking points. those are american talking points: the race card, those were made in america. we should slap a tariff on the race card. not going to pay his price. you made a point of the other day, the confederate flag. it doesn't make sense. it's a confederate flag in canada. that is like the japanese celebrating thanksgiving. [laughter] it makes no sense for it to be celebrated there! i don't like how they are smearing them. mainstream articles are saying "the angry truckers." blm was like "these are broken --" no one was angry! >> dana: they are calm and purposeful. justin trudeau gave addition

i'll have to check which one also dale carnegie. so i think it's it's the rise. it's the rise of the american people that that are so fascinated with yet in this poor boy who makes good sort of establishes a kind of american ethos of success, doesn't it? and i mean, i do think that is a distinctive. american a trait it. we don't see it in other cultures in exactly that this way and yet it's funny because you also cultivated this sort of country persona this sort of well, you can explain better his appearance in the french court. for example. yeah. this was one of my favorite kind of franklin episodes. i mean as you said he's about kind of flying the striving american in the best sense of the term and he says, you know, we're the middling or his editors as where you're part of the middling people who are gonna make up this new world and but one of the things i was interested in franklin because there's been so much written about his money virtues and as many acts and i was curious about about kind of maybe the the not the artful dodger side, but the kind of mischi