jessica washington out to 0 because he well dr. dale fisher is a professor in the infectious diseases division at the national university of singapore. he says, while the delta variant is behind the search, there are many other factors that play. if you look at south korea, for instance, they've had cases for most of the pandemic, they've never tried to get to 0. so, so really it's, it's about the number of existing people, the number of existing daily cases growing. and i think that's probably partly fatigue, partly partly delta, but, but then there's other countries, for instance, malaysia that it was doing very well based on its border controls. and once those were breached in the 2nd half of last year, then we really found that the, using that their public health interventions, they had trouble sort of putting the cat back in the back, the majors to control coded come down to those public health measures. the contact tracing the current training, the testing. then there's the border controls, then there's the social restrictions and then those back thing. so obviously once there's