about walt disney, henry ford, and the most recent when you're coming out with is dale carnegie and john kennedy. ross douthat is a new york times columnist and with a film critic for "national review," the wall street journal, weekly standard, and he wrote a very scathing article in the new york times speaking ill of hugh hefner, and in fact viewpoint on hugh hefner and his legacy. we are going to ask the audience, on the question of should we dedicate a room to hugh hefner? i would like to see an overall show of hands of those who fuel in general we should honor hugh hefner? that he has made more contribution than he has taken away from society. for a second -- 12345 -- 10, 11, 12. a dozen for, those against? 123-4567. on my staff -- 7. seemed to be 5. i kidding. interesting. i saw more female hands up on the negative side. we have a slight bias in favor of dedicating a room to hugh hefner so we will have a bit of a debate. we will see if we can change any minds and we will start with steven watts, the author. [applause] >> thank you for attending. we will have an interesting exchange of views here.