dale watson: can recall. -- can't recall. this was not the pentagon papers or even a case in taking on the white house, but i thought it was important. access to this whistle-blower -- our access to this was the lord gave us access to the videotapes and shed some light -- are access to this whistleblower gave us access to the videotapes and shed some light about what was going on. they can be very difficult, but it is worth it. it is worth the effort that you have to put into it because they can produce some of the most meaningful stories and they're good for our democracy. >> thank you very much. i just want to say one thing. i very much appreciate your remarks because for the whistle blowers that are listening to this and you will be listening to this, it is extremely important to understand how the press views you, what you need to do in order to have a credible presentation. i think jim was very straightforward and is analysis is really helpful. i thank you for those words. our next speaker is john solomon. i have known h

officials talking about their knowledge of terrorism and steve was able to depose dale watson, who was the top f.b.i. counterterrorism official both before and then after 9/11 and i've known dale for years and always held him in high regard as a counterterrorism official but i'll just read you this exchange because it sure surprised

dale watson, can't recall. steve, do you know the differences in religion between shiite and sunni muslims? not technically, no. again, this is not depending on -- the pentagon papers or even a case like rich in taking on the white house, but i thought it was important, and our access to this whistleblower gave us access to these videotapes and shed some light on what was going on with the fbi at a critical moment. .. i've always said that for an investigative journalist, there's there is kind of like a bug, there's something there that this terminal is once to get to the truth in the root of the story no matter what and charge. and from a whistleblower perspective, that's who you want on your case. i think for any investigative journalist, that's the character trait that makes someone into a top-notch world-renowned successful investigative journalists. but from a whistleblower, that's what you need. john has done just outstanding stories, both in cases that we've worked with him on, but also just watching the

>> dale watson, can't recall. steve, do you know differences between the religion and shiite and sunni muslims? not technically, no. so again, this is not the pentagon papers or even a case like rich in taking on the white house but i thought it was important and our access to this whistleblower gave us to these videotapes and shed some light on what was going on in the f.b.i. at a critical moment and none of this could have been revealed without a courageous whistleblower, so just in closing, i want to say, just to wrap up, i guess, they can be very difficult, but it's worth it. it is worth the effort that you have to put into it because they can produce some of the most meaningful stories and they are good for our democracy. >> thank you, very much. i just want to say one thing. i very much appreciate jim's remarks because for the whistleblowers who are going to -- who are listening to this and who'll be listening to this, it is extremely important to understand, you know, how the press viewed you and what you n