dale. >> i am married to debbie, witherspoon. she is on sabbatical right now. working on her doctorate of ministry, i think, in the area of engaging in the face of the public square. i have two sons, teenagers. wesley is a sine teenager. and his brother younger brother, justice, is a freshman. i also have a brother and a sister that live in the sacramento area and they cousin that lives here in oakland. i am a nato san franciscan. >> great to have weston with us, he's in the audience. >> good to have you with us. and jim? >> karen and i, my wife have been married 41 years, we have three adult kids. erin, who is a physical therapist, kristen, who is a registered nurse, and ethan, who is completing his program to be a journeyman electrician and the elevated county electrical worker's union, and we have four grandsons. daschle dayton henry and hudson. my pastor, jim, but my grandsons i am hop pop. >> that is good. that is good. >> well, it is good to have you both. we have a before, but i didn't realize i want to give the audience your background, a relationship w