and dale witherspoon. and also , the wife of the late hugh burrell's, a mentor and host and producer of 'mosaic' form 20 plus years. she had heard about it on 'mosaic' when elizabeth interviewed me. i shout out to all of you who made it such a wonderful event and i have not been able to thank all of you and the churches i was able to serve. i needed to do that. and i thank you. i felt in the last few months when i talked about ministry in my interview with elizabeth, i thought about what is the nature of ministry ? even though i am retired i will be active in prayer and concerned about ministry and what that means . i guest this morning is a colleague and friend for about 20 years who was at my retirement, jim hopkins who has been the pastor at lakeshore baptist for 31 years. almost 31. i thought we would start , and thank you for being at the retirement but i would take to start, what is it like to be a pastor that long in a church because most of us, methodist don't have a pastor that long. what is that