dalia or the publishing reporter or something that ran in the magazine. but again ideally they would read it all beginning to end. >> host: what do you think about the books that splash "the new york times" bestseller on their covers? >> guest: i think it's great. congratulations to them. it's not easy to become a "new york times" bestseller. so i would put that on the cover, too as long as it is true. >> we've got more of a discussion about the future of the newspaper, the publisher and executive editor. here's a preview. journalism is better today than it was because there are many more tools. i grew up in new orleans and only have access to one newspaper. at the the same kid grows up in new orleans has access to as many as he can push a button for. they have access to video and they shouldn't get so caught up in the debate if we shouldn't get so caught up in the romantic aspects of journalism which i grew up in. >> we are in the node of testing, learning and adapting. if you don't have the courage to try new things and grow, you are going to fail. that is the reality of the world that we are in. and so i would applaud with dean and his colleagues did which is to increasing