. >> rose: we conclude with robert dallek who has written a book called "the lost peace" the gat debate i would think is how do you fine a policy, a larger design, a vision of how you are going to deal with the hostility there radical islamists. it's sort of like at the start of the cold war when cano came up with containment that truman sported, sponsored. brought into. we don't have that. nobody put forward the kind-of-grand design dealing with this danger out there to the united states. and for the foreseeable future i think this is the great debate. >> rose: ash and dallek coming up. >> funding for charlie rose was provided by the following: maybe you want school kids to have more exposure to the arts. maybe you want to provide meals for the needy. or maybe you want to help when the unexpected happens. whatever you want to do, members project from american express can help you take the first step. vote, volunteer, or donate for the causes you believe in at membersproject.com. take charge of making a difference. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york

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i think robert dallek wrote a wonderful book on this but basically i think he was guilty of high treasonin sabotaging johnson's peace negotiations with north vietnam. >> host: given his personality -- he said himself i am and introvert and extrovert position. those are those that look at him as a closet-- but he was not a natural and the democratic vote seeking, doorknocking process. and yet, he reached the top of the greasy pole. >> guest: but you know the secret, that he studied acting in college. he was recognized as the great shakespearean and potentially great shakespearean actor and you see that when you see the archival film of his extraordinary, like the checkers speech and those moments when he goes before the camera and talks about the silent majority and talks about his people, his >> host: wasn't that in some of the silent majority? punished. >> guest: but in fdr's case it was idealism. again that is why i so admired him. there was a man born an aristocrat who could see beyond his own circle and see the true populists of the united states. but, in richard nixon's case, i thin

brands, douglas brinkley robert caro, robert dallek doris kearns goodwin, david kennedy, kenneth mackills. did you attend that one? and i understand there's -- i've heard there's been a second one. >> yes. i attended both of them, and it was a -- i was very proud to be there. and michelle and barack obama were basically hosting a book club with some historians. the second meeting david mccullough was there, so we got to talk about john adams and jefferson. and doris kearns goodwin was there, and she always likes to talk about john kennedy and lincoln, who the president loves a lot. so, i would think of it -- i don't think we influenced the president. i look at it more that he really does read presidential biography as a hobby, that he had us all come in. it's off the record what we talked about. but there's nothing that secret about it. i talked a lot about theodore roosevelt, because i just wrote a book on t.r. and i found it -- i think he uses it as a form of relaxation. and it helps to remember what other presidents went through. so, i think it's very healthy that the president doe