we are speaking with daly barnett and grace oldham.with us. ♪♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. as we continue our conversation around facebook, antiabortion clinics, electing highly sensitive information on would-be patients. that investigation is done by grace oldham, reproductive rights reporter with reveal. we're also joined by daly barnett, a staff technologist at the electronic frontier foundation who just published a set of digital privacy guides for abortion providers and abortion-seekers on how to protect their information. thank you for joining us. why don't you walk us through some of these key measures that you think are key for people to protect information and where you think we are all more vulnerable. >> sure. first of all, thank you for having me. i would say the first steps abortion seekers, providers abortion activists ought to do is an exercise we call threat modeling. essentially, it just means identifying for themselves infor