of course, this is the labour veteran , dame margaret hodge, veteran, dame margaret hodge, who stoodn at the election after 30 years. as you said recently, just a moment ago, she has urged the party to work towards a new positive discourse about immigration, focusing on the richness that foreign nationals bring to the uk. so, i mean, what this is incredible really. i mean, i don't know whether i don't know whether to be glad that somebody from that side of politics is trying to have a discussion about it or feel entirely patronised that she's doing it now, because this has been the biggest story for aeons, and it's the only time i can think of in my news watching aduu can think of in my news watching adult life, where the biggest story has never had a section where they explain why it's happening, it's just happening, and they say it's these bad, bad people and there are some bad, bad people involved, but stood behind those bad, bad people are thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of concerned people who are worried about immigration for very valid reasons

. >> adam cherry, dame margaret hodge, of course, a labour grandee of many, many years service.o frightened to talk about immigration. but she adds we have to show that we can control our borders. those who aren't legitimate asylum seekers, you send them back as quickly as you can. adam, i put it to you. if we heard a bit more of that from today's labour party instead of the former members of the labour party, former ministers, we might get somewhere . somewhere. >> well, possibly. you know, funnily enough, in the downing street meeting today, of course, it comes as 703, asylum seekers excuse me. migrants cross the channelin excuse me. migrants cross the channel in small boats. a new record since labour took power. you ask them, what are you going to do about this? this is a serious issue. and other than smashing the gangs, which is another election line that we've heard over and over verbatim, you know, ad nauseum. excuse me. get my latin phrases mixed up there, there's no real conversation about it. it's just the same thing over and over. >> okay. adam, joe, thanks for joining

labour grandee former labour minister dame margaret hodge has just said we're all at fault, that we'vealk about immigration. they all know it, we all know it and yet we've got silence from downing street now this could be why. so a bbc reporter revealed that sir keir starmer didn't want to mention immigration as a cause of the protests in case people thought he was suggesting the unrest was justified. well, i have another theory. sir keir starmer knows what's coming . starmer knows what's coming. thousands more coming across the channel. every single one of them will have the chance to claim asylum . labour has claim asylum. labour has scrapped the british homes for british workers scheme, so brits will not be prioritised for what little social housing stock there is. the 1.5 million new homes labour wants to build . homes labour wants to build. local councils will be given compulsory purchase powers to buy green belt land cheaply, and a lot of those things will have to be social housing. who is going to live in that housing? and he's created a situation now where people who might want