particularly with his party, pelosi, reid and others saying, look, this is what i need to get put through, damit? >> that's where she now. not where he was earlier. let's talk about 1994 and this particular -- this particular shot at it. the difference now is that he does have some allies. it might not be the citizens but he does have business on his side. he does have the pharmaceutical industry on his side, he has the american medical association on his side. the difference is, either they're mot making enough money or making so much they want to protect themselves, but businesses definitely need help on health care. and those are people who contribute to the campaign and they can't afford some of the coverage they're offering to their employees. >> not morally, t.j., but politically, can he afford to go out and say, you know what? these folks who are stonewalling this have been here for 10, 15, 20 years. haven't been able to fix this problem. i'm trying to do it. here's your stonewall once again. can he do that? in a stronger way than he's done. he really has not done that. >> anybody can say