president miguel commissioner damkroger? commissioner damkroger: thank you in my time as a planner and working for a nonprofit -- well, every historic district survey and designation that i was involved in came from the community as a way to give that neighborhood or that community a voice. a way for them to recognize what their neighborhood was about, to empower all the people in the district to have a role in what happens to their district, to give them greater sway at city hall. because they were now a historic district. and they were important in the role -- you know, the city's history. so it was used as a tool. also to provide incentives for members of the district. you know, here we have the historic district building tax credits and so forth. but it was ought sought as something to proif additional power to people in the district. president miguel: commissioner? >> thank you. i think this has been a great conversation. think we have been in this little shell working on articles 10 and 11 more recently. it's like comi

president miguel: commissioner damkroger? commissioner damkroger: charles and i were commencing on ways for the two bodies to work together on this. we could send delegates or two delegates to your meeting and then have a joint meeting again after that to discuss proposals. so we'd like to find ways in which we could help hasten this. president miguel: appreciate it. director chase: it is our intent to help as much as possible. what we want to accomplish is understood by you so that can you understand what our thought process was. and we're very happy to do that in the public forum at your hearing and again at a potential joint hearing if that would meet your needs. president miguel: commissioner martinez? commissioner martinez: i would like to make a motion for my commission to amend the language in article 10 around the application of the secretary of interior standards to reflect the language that we came up with for article 11. in terms of it being mitigated by local interpretations or whatever that language was. presiden

commissioner antonini: i appreciate commissioner damkroger's suggestion in when we have a hearing maybe have some members of the h.p.c. present. i would suggest that staff work with the h.p.c. before our next hearing, planning, to try to consolidate some of the language that they feel is appropriate into the revisions. and then i would hope that one hearing at the planning commission, maybe two at the most. because we're looking at particularly articles 10 and 11. a lot of the things that were brought up today were important, but they're more dealing with the preservation element. you know, housing, general concerns, which are important concerns. but they're not really what we're on. and i think we want to get these things cleaned up and get them finalized with the understanding that we'll always be concerned about those issues that were discussed today. president miguel: commissioner sugaya? commissioner sugaya: yes. i'd like to thank the h.p.c. for their volunteering some of their members to come to planning commission. ms. sullivan, i assume that h.p.c. will also be continuing delibe

vice president damkroger? >> is actually me. she has more hair than i do. the issues before you i know are tough ones. let me just say from the preservation commission's point of view in assessing this, there have been a number of concerns brought up, i think primarily in terms of the historic resources and how the changes to the project or the physical changes would take place. i think that -- and i cannot speak for all of my commissioners, they can apply in on their own position on this, but there has been issued at what is within the historic preservation commission's jurisdiction and what is not. the landmark designation for this property clearly identifies what physical features are in the landmark designation. what clouds this is whether the new construction would have an impact on the historic resources. i think you have heard from the community today about how they feel about the impact on their resources and the resources of the surrounding historic district. that being said, i think as a given that the project would have a certain height, bulk, an