. >> dan azeez investigation into the nhs concluded, and i quote that the problem is too not many managersbut too few with the right skills and capabilities. and let me tell you, that is not the most convenient conclusion for a politician to receive. i could be no more popular than announce the sacking of lots of managers, but that would not be the right thing to do. and i'm not, and i am to prepared make an unpopular argument with the pubuc an unpopular argument with the public about the value of good leaders . leaders. >> right. so there you go. league tables and things like that.is league tables and things like that. is this the answer that we've all been waiting for, jacqueline? >> well, it's a bit like deja vu. i think we've been talking about league tables and whatever over the last 20 years. they haven't made a great deal of difference. the problem is with the nhs, that's not the front line medics. i know a number of them and they are absolutely brilliant. it's the entire structure and it needs. i have advocated for a long time that we need to look at something like we have in austr