. >> joining me now, the "washington post" dan balz, and rah mitch pa knew are you.n joyfully for president? he's used that line before. nothing that jen said yesterday was news if you've been following closely. he has said he wants to make the end of his year his mark. i think what's different, number one, we view him differently. there is no chris christie. so i think there is a media vacuum he fills. second, his aggressive -- bring it on. i want to talk about immigration and education reform and if it's -- ticks off the republican primary base, so be it. i want to see how bad it really is. >> well, it may also be a trial balloon to see what that kind of posturing creates in terms of a backlash. or if there is a backlash. so i mean, i think he put his cards on the table yesterday. as you say, he said nothing new about the timing of a run or conditions under which he would run. but in laying out those issues, he addressed some things he will have to deal with if he is a candidate and a way for him to begin to address them now. >> ramesh, what's interesting, he made