but dan brickland, who was an old friend of yours, said this is how we did visical.he gave me all the stuff. so i started incorporating that in, and it's still if i may say so, in the rudimentary stages. i would love it for those of us who write books in the future to be able to say let's crowd-source them, let's have them curated so i can decide like i do on medium. that was kind of a lack thing but it was interesting. and let's find a way to divvy up the royalties and payment systems, have an easy payment system so people together can create a book maybe with an author acting as a curator, not as controlling the whole thing and then say, okay we've got this book put up your original code for the darwin kernel that you put in the operating system or new lenox show me the system or show me the code. all of that could be put in a collaborative space with the author trying to keep the narrative going but giving all this material that was crowd sourced and then having a way to -- which ted nelson, when he does hypertext in the early days, and even tim burners lee when h