economist group. >> dan crippen former director of the -- >> former director of the congressional budget office. he was asked they score bills. so although there is also the joint committee on taxation which scores tax bills this topic comes up mostly with respect to that. and dan, for reasons known only to him as i was reaching for the water pitcher to refill my glass decided i raised my hand to ask a question. he called on me. and this is 2004. the question i asked him was if the congressional budget office had used dynamic scoring for the tax cuts in 2001 how much lower would the deficit be today? which is the best economist joke. people were rolling on the floor floor. >> we should fwakback up and tell the audience more about the subject, which is probably why they're not -- >> all right. the notion behind dynamic scoring is there are things that government can do that would be beneficial to economic growth and therefore would increase revenue. these policies, even though they would cost money up front would therefore have the effect of increaseing revenues later and possibly paying