dan dellinger. guest: around the country we have service officers, and these service officers are trained and certified to help veterans with their claims. if you have anybody that is in need of assistance, and we don't recommend any veteran try to navigate this bureaucracy, and get into the system. you can go to our website, go to legion.org, go to services, and if you need a service officer, you can find one of those. you can utilize -- it is in charge, it doesn't cost a cent. the american legion pays for everything that happens there. you can utilize that to get into the system if you are eligible to get into the system. as far as the flags, we fight that all the time. but again, if the service member has on record, or he is a part of the va system, he has a dd 214. we can also assist with obtaining those through st. louis. if anybody needs that, there are links that you can find out how to apply for your copy of your dd 214. if you go to the local american legion post and have it on file there,

dan dellinger.uest: around the country we have service officers, and these service officers are trained and certified to help veterans with their claims. that is in anybody need of assistance, and we don't recommend any veteran try to navigate this bureaucracy, and get into the system. you can go to our website, go to go to services, and if you need a service officer, you can find one of those. -- it is inize charge, it doesn't cost a cent. the american legion pays for everything that happens there. you can utilize that to get into the system if you are eligible to get into the system. flags, we fight that all the time. but again, if the service member has on record, or he is a part of the va system, he has a dd 214. we can also assist with obtaining those through st. louis. if anybody needs that, there are links that you can find out how to apply for your copy of your dd 214. to the local american legion post and have it on file there, so when the time comes -- no family member at that time, in ber

he'll be testifying before a senate panel on thursday along with national commander daniel dellinger. dane now and colonel jack jacobs medal of honor recipient and military analyst. first, dan, tell me why you think eric shinseki should be forced out or resign over this scandal? >> we've asked for secretary shinseki and undersecretary hickky and under secretary's resignation because of failed leadership and poor oversight of the va. >> do you think they should be held personally responsible? was this at a lower level or do you think is it confined to phoenix? is it a national scandal, national problem? >> this is a national problem. you're seeing more and more whistle blowers come out across the country, fort collins, texas, cheyenne, wyoming, there's a new one in durham, north carolina. this is far reaching. and it does -- we didn't do this just because of phoenix. we did this because of the troubling trend we've seen over the last couple of years. it all started back in pittsburgh and legionella disease and they covered it up then and continued to cover up things since that. >> are you

that's what the national leader dan dellinger have said for the past three weeks.n we heard initial accusations, we said, let's hear what happens. when fort collins came out it was proof to us this was systemic. the results of this latest ig report were beyond anybody's expectations. 1400 in the initial list recorded. the 1700 you referred to aren't even recorded in the v.a., separate. the i.g. reports these 1700 in addition to 1400 could have been lost because they weren't on official lists. we're letting our veterans get lost in the very health care system created to treat their unique needs >> senator mccain told me yesterday on this program 24 hours ago he thinks there should be a criminal investigation. the fbi should be brought in to look for potential crimes. senator blumenthal of connectic connecticut, he told me that earlier what does the american legion think? >> he made a decision, along with leadership that the american legion is calling for criminal investigations in phoenix at the phoenix v.a. medical center because of accusations in this document are

we'll turn now to dan dellinger the head of the american legion, group leading the guard to replace secretary shinseki. commander, you just heard the white house chief of staff he talks about increased resources in finding ways to reduce unemployment for our veterans, but he never really to my mind specifically addressed this problem. he will not admit that there's a cooking of the book going on right now to make it appear that these people don't have to wait. he at this point as "washington post" pointed out is not asked justice department to investigate yet. they keep saying we're investigating. what is your reaction to all of this? >> we realize that the administration has done a lot for the veterans. but that isn't the issue. the issue is, we are having veterans die waiting for the care that they have earned. it all goes back, they keep talking about waiting for this study to be done. well, there's been almost 50ig reports from our understanding that this has been ongoing problem. and we hold secretary shinseki to the highest standards here, these -- she have been -- he should be coming f

as dan dellinger at the american legion said on monday, he said there needs to be a change and that change needs to occur at the top. i want to emphasize again the urgency of the situation. i know the president yesterday was talking about the urgency of dealing with climate change. well, i would hope that the president and congress would act with at least the same kind of urgency that the president was arguing for when it comes to climate change when it comes to our veterans, some of whom are dying waiting to get the treatment that they are entitled to. what the v.a. needs is full-scale institutional reforms that introduce much stronger safeguards against administrative abuses and much greater accountability for senior officials, because let's face it, the v.a.'s problems go beyond, well beyond a few rogue health care personnel and administrators in phoenix and fort collins, colorado. at a time when america's veterans are facing enormous physical and psychological and financial challenges, the federal government is letting them down, letting them down. don't just take my word for it. accor