dan ellsberg is still with us.nsion rises between the united states and russia over ukraine, can you talk about not only the growing threat of nuclear war but how we can work against that? >> there was pressure a few years ago in congress, even adam smith, the chairman of the house armed services committee proposed abolishing icbm's which would actually if we did that come even unilaterally, we would be safer, the world would be safer from that possibility of escalation which exists right now. when biden says this is the most dangerous moments is the cuban missile crisis -- which i was involved in in 1962 at a high staff level -- he is absolutely right. it is above all because of existence on both sides, which is even worse than having one side wh these hairtrigger icbm 's. putin talks about applying a small tactical use of small nuclear weapons. almost sure to escalate and the reason that has the possibility of destroying most human life on earth by nuclear winter, killing all harvests, is because from the moment

dan ellsberg. dan, it is an honor and a privilege to have you participating today. a diane are muted for the time in your life. you're muted. not sure my wife would love to have looked like that. we've just heard my former boss secretary mcnamara make a reasonably long statement. that was accurate. we're unusually privileged on that occurrence and something very unusual for, a former official to say we were mistaken in what we believe at this particular time when i was in office the message, went out to people announcing this conference, had them wrapping it, which i first saw on the first day i was back in the pentagon that was tuesday, october third, the day after the president's speech. like some of the rest, you i watched that speech. my in california was telling him i had no precursor of it. i was particularly struck by one statement that was made that a single nuclear warhead which you can find there were a number the caribbean against, the united states or anyone else in latin america would result in a full retaliatory response like the soviet union might, on