and the former commissioner of the connecticut department of energy and environmental protection, dan estyn, thanks so much for coming back! (cheers and applause) dan! why on earth? you explain to me, mr. environmental studies yale smarty pants, why is obama declaring war on coal and is he going to draw the troops out of afghanistan and send them straight into west virginia? >> stephen, i'm afraid to tell you there's no war. >> stephen: war on coal. no war on coal. >> stephen: it's a modest first step. a funny faction against coal. like kennedy took a modest step in vietnam. >> he's done common sense things to begin transition to an clean energy future. >> stephen: why not clean coal, it has the word clean in it. >> it could be we will have clean coal but we need a broader portfolio and we have a chance to ship toward cheaper and cleaner natural gas. >> stephen: so you're for fracking, contaminating the bed bedrock with unknown chemicals. >> there is need for regulations -- >> stephen: here we go, regulations. won't regulations and closing the coal plants, won't that cost americans jobs? >