and dan foster. his grandfather served to be rabblely, but for a short time long before dan was alive. generally, they had folks they were familiar with that served, but there are a couple that just sought out that structure, the brotherhood. they liked the concept of belonging. james actually did research into what the marines were all about, and he just became end am mored with them -- enamored with them, and he said i have to be a part of it. i can't not be a part of it. and it was pretty compelling that this was just some, you know, out of nowhere for him. there was no, it was just something that developed within him, and it was pretty inspirational. >> one of the as -- attributes, you talked about, is humility a lot in the book. and when you think of selfless service, you think oi honor and those -- of honor. humility is sort of a residual piece a bit, but did you find these are humble guys, or their service humbled them and, therefore, they were -- i mean, was it cart before the horse or what? >

and there's another guy, dan foster, there's no one really, his grandfather served honorably but that was before dad was alive. i think it generally there were folks there've money with which are but there are a couple that just sought out that structure, the brotherhood. they liked the concept of belonging. james actually did research into what the marines were all about, and he just became enamored with them. and he said i have to be a part of it. i cannot be a part of it. it was pretty compelling that this was just out of nowhere for him. there was no, you know, it's just something that developed within him, and it was pretty inspirational. >> one of the attribute to piggyback on the question, you talked about his humility a lot in the book. we think of selfless service you think of what honor and think you're trained are taught in the military. she military is sort of residual piece of it, but did you find that these are humble guys who join the military, or their service humble them and, therefore, i mean, the cart before the horse will? >> i think it varies a little bit but all