host: our guest joining us now, dan freedman, a hearst newspapers. there has been in the news a program known fast and furious as and -- know as operation fast and furious. guest: it was actually a project of the organized crime drug task force, justice program that seeks to root out entire criminal drug trafficking organizations, not just the small players. all whole organization from top to bottom. operation fast and furious was conceived of as just a operation, involving not only agents from atf, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, but the dea and other federal law-enforcement agencies. the rules of those agents is unclear, but the atf part was to observe the purchases of 223's, based7's, on them military in-16. to observe purchases of these weapons in arizona, by so- called straw purchasers, sent in by cartel brokers to buy these guns, give them to the brokers who would then take them to mexico and sell them for sometimes three times the price. what happened essentially is that instead interdicting the forms before they got to mexico, t