dan goldenberg, executive director of the call of duty endowment, joins us to talk about this. welcome dan, nice to have you here. >> thanks so much for having me. >> why are there issues for so many vets to find a good quality job? >> well, you know, the problem is that veterans are facing some headwinds that we haven't seen in the past. in fact, the bls data that you were referencing paints a cheery picture in that the veteran unemployment rate appears to have dropped below 4%, but that doesn't jibe with reality on the ground. what we're seeing what we saw last year, 23% increase in vets seeking help finding jobs. in the first quarter this year, we've seen an almost 80% increase in demand. so what's going on here? we think it's fund a.m.ally the fact that the bls numbers are based on a simple question that's kind of not revealing of the true situation. the question i'll read you, last week did you do any work for pay or profit? that's it. so obviously that question doesn't talk about the quality of work. and that's really the problem. our veterans in careers where they're maki