first to you, dan goldman, let's talk about the argument from the prosecution. how did they do, what was the jury's response? how would you size it all especially? >> absolutely, andrea. in about an hour and 45 minutes, prosecutor greg andres very meticulously and persuasively led the jury through the boatload of documentary evidence. interestingly, given all the fireworks around rick gates' testimony, greg andres did not mention rick gates until almost an hour into his closing argument. really what he said was the star witness was not rick gates but he actually said, the star witness is the documents. and he only spoke for about five minutes on rick gates, and really just focused on the documents. we did not see any of the photos of the extravagant wealth. in fact andres at one point said that manafort is not himself on trial here because of his wealth. he's on trial because he committed all of these crimes. and it was a very sort of methodical, i think that's the right word, it was a calm and measured approach to the evidence in this case. the jury did seem qu

dan goldman, and former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. julia, even though gates got back on the stand for cross-examination this morning, that are was quick, we've seen that wrap up and now the prosecution has their second shot, right? >> reporter: that's right. so this is the redirect. we could see this go back and forth. judge ellis seems to be able to allow them to come back in, ask a lot of questions. judge ellis also jumps in there himself a few times. that might be something that could be a takeaway at the end of this trial. he's interjecting. sometimes he tells the prosecution to ask a different question and gets gates to answer it again. one of the key things that the prosecution asked this morning is whether or not the fbi -- or whether or not the government had promised him a sentence at the end of this for his cooperation. and gates said, no. that's really key because the prosecution needs to convince the zwlar thejury that there ar set deals. they want to present him as an hoppest man, a changed man who despite embezzling hund

here onset for another day, dan goldman, an msnbc legal analyst along with our pal nbc news reporter carol lee. it is less hot than it has been all week. you picked a good day to be here. dan, let me start with you, if you look at what each side wants, they are both looking for leverage. and the sticking point, one of them seems to be this idea much an in person interview. what is the framing behind that? the trump team wants questions on collusion only and special counsel wants to hear about it all. >> i think rudy giuliani is trying to figure out a way to drum up some leverage because ordinarily the witness of the defendant or target or subject does not have the leverage, the prosecutor does. and but because bob mueller is not talking and rudy giuliani is, he's able -- he has the whole public domain to make all of his arguments, even though as a prosecutor, none of them make sense. start with the perjury trap. this is not a perjury trap -- >> is it a perjury trap if you tell the truth. >> the perjury trap looks at it from the perspective of the prosecutor and the truth looks at it f

somebody who would know more about that practice in the southern district of new york than me would be dan goldman. but i suspect that mr. tribe may be wrong about that point. >> and, dan, when you hear the president on the no collusion front, we've just emerged from a 24-hour period with a lot of discussion about the e-mail setting up the meeting at trump tower because of the intense russian government interest in seeing donald trump elected. is that ball game for you right there? >> it's not ball game, but it is a strong indication that there was an appetite, a willingness, an intent to engage with russia in order to allow the russians to interfere with our election, which is a crime. it gets us part of the way but it doesn't get us all the way. so, you know, collusion, of course, is colloquial. i don't think that itself would be grounds for a conspiracy charge, which is how bob mueller would charge it, but it gets it part of the way. when you start to add up the different data points, the july 27th date, when trump asks russia to find hillary clinton's e-mails. then an indictment from bob muell

. >> dan goldman, let's be very clear about what a grant of immunity is, because this is not the same as being a cooperating witness. this is basically someone who has some legal exposure but has proffered enough to prosecutors of what he could offer that interests them enough to give them a free pass, basically, by granting immunity. this also affects, and we'll talk about this in a moment, again, david pecker from "the national inquirer," but weisselberg knows where all the bodies are buried financially in the trump organization. >> that's right, andrea. there are two different paths this could take. one is that weisselberg is granted immunity, which is an immunity order, it means that his testimony in the grand jury cannot be used against him. the other path, which is often used by prosecutors, is sort of an in between cooperation agreement. we know about the cooperation agreements of rick gates, michael flynn, where they plead guilty to crimes and agree to cooperate. there is an in-between angle called the nonprosecution agreement, which is really just an agreement with the u.s. a

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. >> dan goldman, i turn to you. talk about the southern district of new york, natasha a nod to the sovereign district of new york as well. when do you make of the role its playing? some stuff spun off to the sdny. what role do you think folks outside of mueller's team will play? >> i'm going to put the brake on this a little bit, because i don't think it's accurate to say allen weisselberg is cooperating. allen weisselberg, by all reporting, including natasha the received immunity any order to compel him to testify in connection to the michael cohen case. >> narrow immunity? >> it is for his testimony. but that's very different than flipping or cooperating. there is a mechanism where he could do that and he could not be prosecuted and return for his cooperation, and that would be folsom and get into all the things natasha is talking about in the trump organization. allen weisselberg is not cooperating against donald trump and important to underscore that. he was compelled to testify by the southern district of new y

on the strength side and i think dan goldman, you know, and you covered this just a few moments ago,is is "a" unseemly, "b," it looks conspiracial in the way its constructed, the timing is suspicious and troubling the way the documents are constructed to make for a cover-up. all of that makes for what appears to be a nice, tight conspiracy and potentially voiolative. law. there's been reporting in the last 24 hours of a former fec chairman suggesting these payments were personal and they are not, in fact, campaign violations. campaign finance violations. that if true is something that i as robert mueller am going to look at very, very closely. what's the precedent? its one thing to have michael cohen and taking a guilty plea to these things and his attorney coming out and professing them and pointing a finger at the president, its another thing to look at the precedent, who's been convicted of this before, does it clearly fit within federal campaign violation law or does it not and then secondaril secondarily, what else proves it. michael cohen is not good enough with robert mueller.

. >> i want to go to our other legal analyst now from alexandria, dan goldman, former attorney for the seventh district of new york. what do you make of the question that the jury asked? greg said, look, this is not unusual. do you agree with the assessment? >> certainly as it relates to reasonable doubt. i think what is more noteworthy about the questions is that they were very smart, technical questions. which in a case where the defense was pretty technical, and the prosecution's theory is just, manafort was a liar, liar, liar, it is all about lies, those kinds of questions generally mean that they're engaging with some of the defense arguments. in particular, where in a situation that they're engaging with defense arguments that are really undermined by the evidence in this case. as dpreg poigreg pointed out, h, you can't celebrate too soon, but in some cases, you'll just have the jury go back in the room and say, look, this guy is a liar and guilty. let's just get out of here. that's clearly not what's going on here. they're really engaging with the defense arguments which, you kn

. >> dan goldman and joyce vance, up early and up late for us, thank you. >>> another piece of the story moving forward. the piece going down on the hill. our teams have just talked with multiple senators, including some supporters of donald trump. while some may be waking up today hoping, wishing, praying yesterday never happened, the response publicly has been kind of tepid so far. you have house speaker paul ryan, who did say something, something short, in two sentences, saying he is aware of the guilty plea but needs more info. for mitch mcconnell, his senate counterpart, nothing so far. john cornyn said people who do bad things need to be held accountable. adding that this has nothing to do with russia. kasie hunt, i think, has sneakers on today, chasing people around the hall today. what's going on this morning? >> reporter: hallie, it is clear this story does have something of a different tenor than some of the other conversations that we've had. let me tell you, a lot of these members of congress are really sick of all of us running after them in the hallways, asking about the la

a knock on the jury door and our analyst dan goldman told me he was told there was a note. not a verdict. we wait to see what information this note reveals to us. >> we have not had a note other than the one that asked whether they could go home at 5:00 since thursday, which, we're all juror experts now. we all speck lace whulate what' on. why not know these other days if going through all of this documentation? again, you've talked to more than i have about this. no one actually knows what it means? >> reporter: right. the lack of a note could suggest that there is no disagreement. no questions about the law. plowing through the evidence, or have disagreements they don't need to ask the judge about. we don't know. all we've done, watch them take breaks. a couple smokers. seen cigarette breaks every once in a while. hard to read body language. no idea what's happening. tell you soon as we learn. >> and friday excited about a note that said, can we go home at 5:00? >> elly honing is with me. asked every lawyer around us what three days of deliberations mean. 7 and 10 and 12

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here to help me break it down nbc news analyst dan goldman, nbc national political correspondent stevesure yesterday was not a good day for the white house. a jury in virginia found the president's former campaign manager paul manafort

here to help me break it down goldman, analyst dan nbc national political correspondent steve knackiay was not a od day forhe white house. a jury in virginia found the president's formerampaign manager paul manafort guilty of arious tax and bank fraud charges, which didn't have anything to do with the

dan henninger, retired brigadier general anthony tata. melissa: the dow diving on fierce of financial instability in turkey, driving down shares of intel, caterpillar and goldman sachs. phil flynn watching action from the cme and nicole petallides from the floor of the new york stock exchange. nicole, start with you. >> what happened to our streak? they had five straight days of gains snapping that with the dow down 196 points. the nasdaq composite squeezes out the second weekly gain but it snapped something too. the nasdaq was up eight days in a row. we haven't seen that in 10 months but it finished to the downside today. fang index, if you're hot on the fang index that is up 2% for the week. intel on the goldman sachsdown grade and some of these names related to tariffs and industrials. look at this, boeing, goldman, 3m, caterpillar and also home depot, those five accounted for half of the dow's decline. then take a look at the vix. we had light volume here on the floor of the stock exchange. was not conviction from the bulls to the downside but you can see, look at the vix up about 16 1/2%. here is a quick peek at facebook. hey, new requirements. if you hav

goldman. a former assistant united states attorney in the criminal division of the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york. danry begins deliberations two hours from now. how long do you expect the jury to be out? >> this is a world impossible to predict. having sat through a number of trials and trying to read the tea leaves from the juror's demeanor and notes that will come out with questions which could range from can we have pennsylvania and paper to what is reasonable doubt mean and anything in between, it's really impossible to tell. there are 18 counts here. it's two separate schemes that they are going to really have to deal with. one relates to tax evasion and one relates to bank fraud. there are nearly 400 exhibits. there were 27 witnesses. and so it's impossible to tell. i think the feeling after yesterday's closing arguments was that the government did a very good job of martialing all the documentary evidence, of showing the jury paul manafort's own emails, showing his own knowledge of all of the events that are in the indictment. showing back dated documents. if a br indicated documents. blatant