he supported dan heintz o bama's opponent to the united states senate in 2004 in illinois and tells aonderful story about he and his brother endorsed dan heintz, they got a personal note from barack obama saying i understand this completely. he's a friend of yours. i admire loyalty. when it is over, the primary is over i would like to talk to you because i really want your support and your counsel. i mean, in that sense, it's not jim baker. but itsee a step in the jim baker direction. ronald reagan did something that no president has ever done in my lifetime. he hired the man to run the last two campaigns against him. and somebody who had -- >> jim baker. >> knowledge of politics and press and congress and the town. and i think bill daly, while not jim bake certificate a step in the right direction. >> lehrer: do agree. >> a great five minutes, mark just endorsed people that work for goldman sachs and jpmorgan. i'm happy. no he's-- bill daly-- i think is an excellent choice. ideology aside, managing the white house, one of the things i think needs to happen in the white house is when