. >> dan mitchell is the senior fellow of the institute of a free market think tank. >> if you borrow money out of of the right pocket and put it in the left pocket you are somehow richer. it didn't work for bush in 2008 and it hasn't worked for obama. >> if spending isn't the answer, what is? >> what do you think would be a recipe for putting people back to work? >> all we really need to do to have success in the long run is to make sure the private sector is growing faster than the public sector. it is all about the size of government. >> of course it all depends on what numbers you are using. each side has their own statistics and economists to prove their point of view. who you believe sort of depends on which numbers you trust. which leads to argument number 2 hiring more government workers. >> teachers and cops and firefighters. >> that is a sedative not a stimulus. >> the president is an enthusiastic supporter. >> congress should pass a bill to help put thousands of teachers firefighters and police officers back on the job. they should have passed a bill a long time ago to put

. >> dan mitchell is a senior fellow at the kato institute a free market think tank. >> the notion if you borrow money out of the economy's right pocket and put it in the left pocket you are somehow richer. it didn't work for hoover and roosevelt in the 1930 1930s and didn't work for bush in 2008 and hasn't worked for obama. >> if spending isn't the answer, what is? >> what do you think would be a recipe for putting people back to work? >> all we really need to do to have success in the long run is make sure that the private sector is growing faster than the public sector. it is all about the size of government. >> each side has their own statistics and economists to prove their point of view so who you believe sort of depends on which numbers you trust. which leads to argument number two. hiring more government workers. >> teachers and cops and firefighters. >> that is a seven-day stimulus.ivesedative not a >> put police officers and teachers back on the job. >> the last time i checked with very few exceptions firefighters are not federal employees. public school teachers are not fed

dan mitchell says no. simon rosenberg, however, says recouping wasted funds while needed is just a drop in the larger bucket of the country's revenue needs and taxes still must be raised. both of you, thank you so much for joining us today. simon, make your case, first of all. >> well, i think that, look, there are lee big drivers to the deficit. medicare, health care spending, and the -- defense budget and the reduction in tax rates that happened under george bush. that's what's created the big deficit. if anyone is serious about deficit reduction we have to tackle all three. democrats have shown willingness to do so and the republicans haven't which why i think the democrats are much more serious now about deficit reduction than the republican party is. >> but the point here about the waste of the fraud going on and in other words why go out and trying to collect more money when there's already so much that could be done in terms of packing up that fraud and waste. >> i know. i don't think there is that

. >> dan mitchell is a senior fellow at the cato institute, a think tank. >> the idea that you beau from w makes you rich, it hasn't worked. it didn't work for bush in 2008 and hasn't worked for obama. >> what's a recipe for putting people back to work? >> all we need to do to success in the long run is make sure that the private sector is growing faster than the public sector. it's all about the size of government. >> of course it all depends on what numbers you use. each side has their own statistics and economists to prove their point of view. so who you believe sort of depends on which numbers you trust. that leads to argument number two. hiring more government workers. >> teachers and cops and firefighters. >> that's a sedative, not a stimulus. >> the president is an enthusiastic supporter. >> congress should pass a bill to help put thousands of teachers and firefighters and police officers back on the job. they should have passed a bill a long time ago to put thousands of construction workers back to work. >> last time i checked with very few exceptions, firefighters are not federa