when dan quale fix the white house and something really doesn't add up, just listen. >> ignorance will be his defense. that is the way it is, and who can blame it out of the loop on all of us. neil: ewart is out of the loop on things. >> you're not out of the loop. yoknoo what is going on. let's talk to liz claman. >> former vice president said it was really interesting. because now we have the irs commissioner, former irs commissioner. he's visiting the white house i am not saying that he didn't make all of those 157 visits. but the point being thht it was right at the time when obamacare was being hotly opposed by the tea party. the house was set to turn or to republican leadership in 2010. if the president here is saying that have nothing to do with the targeting of tax-exempt groups, they turn over the memos and the meeting notes. just release them with the former irs commissioner. if he doesn't, the house committee on investigations and the subcommittee should subpoena them. >> one of the things that was interesting is hat he still felt that ungodly, out of all the scandals that w