i was there at the dan quayle convention.iles said it was like throwing a hot dog in a shark tank. that was the first week of the dan quayle experience, but you're right. it was that dan quayle didn't have a record. paul ryan very much has one. and that's both his appeal and his great drawback. and yes, republicans are worried about congressional seats as well. it mystifies me, lawrence, because they had to have known. romney and ryan had to have known that the ryan budget plan, especially the medicare part of it would be at the center of democratic response to the pick. and yet when they announced down in norfolk, virginia, there were only couple of lines about it. ryan didn't even mention it. what romney said was dm demonstrably hypocrite cat also best because the ryan plan assumes the same amount of cuts in waste and fraud and inefficiency that obama plan does. and just because obamacare, quote, unquote, is not universally unpopular doesn't mean that americans want to dismantle medicare. most americans don't. while they pr

the dan quayle dig, democrats may be gleeful, but when republicans rolled out dan quayle, republicans can win that year. how can the republicans turn this into a dan quayle year and not a sarah palin year? would you assume that republican knew the medicare thing would always be hard. maybe you can forgive them for not knowing what to say about that, on or about saying no, no, no, let me run away. the other thing paul ryan brought, his willingness, reputation for being a details guy, being willing to defend controversial policy positions in detail. they've still got that, right? the newest leak from the romney campaign to effectively their campaign newsletter, politico.com, their overall strategy now they have paul ryan, nobody on the campaign is going to be allowed to discuss details. it is their view that "diving into details into a general election race would be suicidal." what did you pick paul ryan for exactly? you made him abandon his own policies and run against his own plans. you won't let him talk about your policies that you are making him embrace. the thing most people knew

the dan quayle one, though, democrats may be gleeful about comparing paul ryan to dan quayle, but when the republicans rolled out dan quayle for vice president that year, republicans won that year. so regardless of how embarrassing he looks in retrospect, he did win for them. how can the republicans turn this into a dan quayle year and not a sarah palin year? you assume the republicans knew the medicare thing was going to be hard. maybe you can forgive them for still having no idea to say about that except some people saying clearly, no, no, no, let me run away. the other thing paul ryan supposedly brought to them is his reputation for policy seriousness. his ability, his willingness, his reputation for being a details guy, for being willing to defend even his controversial policy positions in detail. so at least they have still got that, right? the newest leak from the romney campaign to what is effectively their campaign newsletter, politico.com, is that their overall strategy from here on out, now that they have paul ryan is nobody on the campaign is going to be allowed to discuss d

by contrast, you know, you go back to 1988 with dan quayle, the few comments he made turned him into permanent idiot as far as the media was concerned. 1968, another vice-presidential candidate spiro agnew, biden is getting off easy. >> have they become apologists for biden? >> i think we're gotten used to bidenisms and people don't react. when the president of the united states has to walk away or distance himself from his own vice-president as obama was forced to do this week, i think enough is said. the point has been made, it was a mistake, it shouldn't have happened. >> jon: as jim pointed out when dan quayle misspelled potato on a chalkboard in a school classroom, it was front page news. and when biden makes a comment like that, what's the reaction. there's a glaring double standard no question about it and the last time around with sarah palin, joe biden has been doing it since day one and carl cameron after the election wrote a great article going through the things that biden has said and showing that there was an incredible double standards and he's a nonpartisan journalist

on only vice presidential sarah palin or dan quayle rated lower. >>> near the campus of texas a&m university, police identified a gunman who they say killed two people, including a police officer before being shot. >>> 38-year-old thomas kaufel. the officer was identified as 41-year-old brian backman. >>> police say another man was also killed in the gunfire. the shootings prompted the university to issue an emergency alert warning. >>> a bizarre lesson in security at new york's jfk airport. officials trying to figure out how a lost man in a wet bathing suit managed to bypass a $100 million state-of-the-art security system. it happened over the weekend when a man who was stranded on his jet ski swam to shore, scaled the airport's barbed wire security fence, crossed two active runways, and then walked into the terminal undetected. in a wet bathing suit. nbc's tom costello has more. >> reporter: at jfk airport, a patrol car was cruising a perimeter following this weekend's embarrassing security breach. after his jet ski broke down in jamaica bay, a new york man climbed an eight-foot barbed wir

most people did not know who dan quayle was.e had done a very good job in the senate, but had only been there eight years. suddenly he gets introduced to the public as the vice president the tuesday of the convention. the last-minute choice amidst some chaos in orleans. the bush campaign was not prepared to explain his achievements and parts of his record and biography that could be challenged. i don't know that dan quayle had had a lot of time to prepare for this. they had a fairly tough campaign. dan quayle probably did not handle everything as well as he should have. a lot of it was the campaign not being ready? . with romney there is a very differentr veryy process. dan quayle was maybe 41 when he was chosen and now paul ryan is 42. this choice was made more than two weeks before the convention. romney and his team had been able to prepare. there's no question about things. they had the biography ready to go and they did it with a good rollout. i liked and respected dan quayle and i like and respect paul ryan. but what strik

in short, his initial reaction is the least positive of any vice-presidental nominee since dan quayle. >> brown: we're there any particular attributes, whether it's age or policies or whatever that are driving this? >> for republicans, it's words that reflect enthusiasm; he's intelligent, he's enthusiastic, good guy. we agree with him. for democrats, they say he's a phony, he scares, me, too radical, that kind of thing. >> brown: but another of wisconsin's rising national stars, governor scott walker, is sure that ryan is going to give an important boost to the presidential nominee. >> most voters knew that mitt romney had the skills that made him capable of being a decent president. you look at his private sector experience, the olympics... >> brown: did you say "decent?" >> this is my point. with paul ryan, his experience alone would make him a decent president. with paul ryan on the ticket, not just because he's from wisconsin but because of what he's done nationally-- mitt romney has the courage and the passion to be an exceptional president. >> brown: this afternoon, the junior m

bush chose dan quayle back in 1988. >> you must not be from iowa. >> a few members of that 45 percent heckled paul ryan yesterday as he hit the campaign trail. he and president obama both appeared at iowa state fair. the president announced the government will help drought- stricken farmers and ranchers by buying up to $170 million of meat for food banks and federal programs >> just like you might buy more chicken and freeze it, we will stop that. prices are low and farmers and ranchers need help so it makes sense >> vice-president joe biden stumped for votes in north carolina yesterday and will be in virginia today. romney will campaign in ohio after spending time down in florida. chris christie will deliver a keynote address. the convention begins in less than two weeks down in florida >> 3 people are dead after a shooting in college station texas. investigators say he killed a county constable who was serving an eviction notice yesterday. then he began firing at police who responded to the initial shooting. >> i heard 30 shots fired, they sounded like semiautomatic rounds, a rifle

he first achieved fame, or at least washington fame, as dan quayle's brain.impossible task of being vice president dan quayle's chief of staff and won praise from republicans for helping dan quayle seem not quite so, you know, stupid. except at spelling bees. >> add one little bit on the end. >> think of potato. how's that spelled? >> you're right phonetically. >> after being rudely knocked out of his white house job by the clinton/gore victory over the bush/quayle re-election ticket, bill kristol took his revenge quickly. when bill and hillary clinton rolled out their health care reform plan, republican congressional reaction was the standard capitol hill move of offering counterproposals that republicans hoped would in some way water down the clinton health care reform bill, which most republicans and all democrats firmly believed could not be stopped from becoming law. bill kristol was the first, and for a while, the only republican in washington saying, simply, kill the bill. he circulated a memo to all republican members of congress, explaining to them h

bush picked dan quayle. the nationwide survey taken sunday found 45% of registered voters think ryan is a fair or poor choice. 39% said ryan was excellent or pretty good. 16% have no opinion. joining me now is former chairman of the democratic national committee and vermont governor, howard dean, and msnbc's steve kornacki and krystal ball. governor dean, a lot of democrats are saying, you know, this is the dream ticket. this is who they wanted on there. i actually don't think it's spin. as much as this is a time for spin, and you were going to get a spin reaction, no matter what in these situations, i don't think they're kidding. i think this is the ticket that the democrats want. >> well, you know, i think you have to be careful of talk like that, because it sounds like you're taking things for granted and you shouldn't. but ryan clearly is not going to help in florida. and it's true that if the democrats win in florida, then it's game over for the republicans. so i do think that governor romney has weaken

what about the calls from jeb bush and also dan quayle, former vice president dan quayle, saying thatarty needs to reestablish its philosophy of a big tent with principles, the philosophy you hear from time to time which is unfortunate is one of exclusion rather than inclusion. you have to be expanding the base, expanding the party, because compared to the democratic party, the republican party is the minority party. that's dan quayle in the "new york times." >> i agree. we should be a big tent party without compromising our principles. we want to have addition, not subtraction or division. i think that that's what you're going to get with mitt romney because he's going to focus on things that everybody can agree on. there's social issues where people are different but everybody agrees we need to get people back to work. >> how do you deal with the todd akin situation? he is refusing to get out. everyone has called on him, mitt romney said it is damaging the party and hurting women or hurting the party and damaging women, the way he phrased it. >> immediately when he said that, i thin

the lowest numbers for vice- presidential pick since george bush chose dan quayle in 1988. >>> so >>> a few members of the 45 percent heckled run yesterday as a hit the campaign trail. he and obama appeared at the iowa state fair a few hours apart. >>> so you might want to buy more chicken when it is on sale we will stock up prices are low, farmers and ranchers need help it make sense. >>> vice president biden stunt for votes in north carolina and will be in virginia today running campaigns in ohio after spending time in florida. 6:11 a.m. the battle in lake county another live report on the progress crews hope to make >>> chocolate lovers listen up the tree may boost brainpower. >>> at the top the list for a luxury but a few cars passed th, [ female announcer ] safeway presents real big deals of the week. or how to get great prices on things you need. we know you look around for the best deals. that's why we give you real big club card deals each week. this week, local seedless grapes straight off the vine are just 79 cents a pound. starbucks coffee is only $7.49. that's less than a

i do not know if dan quayle had a lot of time prepare for this. i think he did not handle everything as well as he showed. ryan is almost exactly the same age in this case, they made the case more than two weeks before the convention. they did it in a good rollout. dan quayle probably did not should have. a lot of it was the campaign not being ready. with romney there is a very differen process. 42. this choice was made more than two weeks before the convention. romney and his team had been able to prepare. there's no question about things. they had the biography ready to go and they did it with a good rollout. i liked and respected dan quayle and i like and respect paul ryan. but what strikes me about the picks and the management about the picks is how much better mitt romney personally and team romney did than the bush team in 1988. host: here are the numbers to call if you would like to talk with bill kristol. as you mentioned, paul ryan's potential youth appeal. this in the washington post -- the other issue that has come up as medicare and hi

. -- jon huntsman and dan quayle in their presidential campaigns. he spoke recently comparing the 2012 presidential elections. this is just over one hour. >> behave yourself tonight. thank you so much for coming tonight. this is a beautiful than you. enjoy yourselves, but behave yourselves also. there are a lot of valuables in the area. pretty excited about the night. before i introduce our guest, i want to talk about gen next. i am a ceo at gen next. our purpose is in our name, gen next. we are trying hard to create opportunities for future generations and facing challenges. we do not want to kick the can down the road for things that we could have solved. we want to get as much as we can out of the way as possible. and in doing that, we tried to attract and leveraged talent. we have relied unsuccessful, busy people, having them learn about and get engaged in economic issues, security, education. tonight is no different. you are inundated with political ads or mail, or you wrote or you just pay taxes, so you know the political process matters becau

: why go to dan quayle?d the original values things. >> greg: values are good, bob. >> bob: wonderful. >> greg: they are. >> bob: but values and republicans together it doesn't, not good politics. >> eric: what is more outrageous the chicago mayor or in boston say nothing chick-fil-a because of what the ceo said or mayor in new york who wants to regulate everything you eat, drink, smoke and whatever else? >> bob: according to limbaugh i'm a stalinnist so do whatever you want. >> andrea: the mayor is focused on breastfeeding and that should offend women. really, tomorrow is the h.h.s. mandate that kicks in that is forcing people to do things outside of their religion. this debate -- >> dana: a broader debate. >> andrea: a much broader debate. i think it's being capitalized on a little bit. the ceo made the comments and let it go. now they are jumping on to capitalize everybody else. as a christian i don't want christians to look bigoted and hateful. that is what the left is trying to do. >> eric: common denom

. >>> at 42, ryan will be the youngest vice-president since dan quayle who was 41 when he took office with president george h. bush. he earned degrees from miami of ohio elected to congress at age 29 and in his seventh term representing wisconsin's first district. he serves on the ways and means committee. another hot day in the bay area and temperatures had triple digits brian hackney here to tellez is their relief. >>> will be answering that in good time. 86 degrees in santa rosa, 1 04 in fairfield, it got up to 1 05 in livermore, at the pinnacles near hollister the pinnacles of up to 110 today. 97 at concord, livermore still at 1 01. were looking for things to continue to be warm for tomorrow, high pressure over the west coast will stay there will cover exactly how warm when the de whether it en if you. >>> new details on the firemen at the chevron refinery in richmond, federal investigators question whether pipe corrosion play a factor. new finding shed light on the cause of the incident has thousands filing claims. anne mackovic shows us why megan's work comes under scrutiny. >>>

bush picked dan quayle as his running mate calling quayle quote a man of the future.ecame the first baby boomer ever on a major presidential party ticket. a great story former reagan white house chief of staff alerting reagan they're picking the senator from indiana and reagan said, lugar, oh, okay. all right. the obama and romney campaigns are both touting their respective policies as the answer to social security's future and spreading misinformation on medicare. my thursday panel, al fan so who led the u.s. office of citizenship during the bush administration, yak jackie, covers politics for "usa today" and he makes his home at "the chicago tribune ". >> yes, sir. >> jackie, i want to go back to this focus that here we are and it's been three weeks since there's been a coordinated messaging from the romney campaign on the economy. here we are five days in on ryan and talking about medicare. >> yep. i think -- i don't know how they couldn't have predicted that. the ryan budget has been -- i mean in the house, that's all anyone talked about. hitting candidates on. i

who will the independence believe >>> at 42 run would be the youngest vice president since dan quayle >>> a lot of americans as coo is paul ryan his family roots run deep in wisconsin he represented the first district since 1999, chip bridge shows us line has been at home in washington. >>> two months ago paul ryan brought mitt romney to janesville where ryan went to high school and attends this catholic church. his family's construction business more than a century old when ryan was 16 is father died of heart attack at 55. george style was a law partner with ryan's dad. >>> he still was the friendly affable type of guy but he became more serious >>> after college ryan work for the family business but was drawn to politics here ran for congress at age 28. in congress ryan has made the federal budget his focus and for curbing the national debt his mantra. he advocates d pads in government spending and lower taxes. he confronted obama over the health care reform. >>> this bill does not control costs it does not reduce deficits instead this bill >>> and after the republicans won control

those are the lowest numbers for a vice-presidential pick since george bush chose dan quayle back in 1988. paul ryan hit the campaign trail without romney for the first time yesterday. >> president obama has given us for years of one trillion dollars or more deficits. he is making matters worse in he is spendg our children into diminished future. >> joe biden stumped for votes yesterday and will be in virginia today. romney campaign in ohio after spending some time in florida. >> three people are dead after a shooting. an eviction notice at that time. he began firing at police responded to the initial shooting. after a shootout he and a male civilian were also killed. >> i heard three shots fired, they sounded like semiautomatic rifle rounds, i have heard a lot of people say it was straight shots but it sounded to me like a tap tap tap >> three other law enforcement officers and a woman were injured in the shooting near texas a&m university. huffington post says that his mother said he had mental health issues. a colorado judge has refused to lift the gag order in the case of the the

dan quayle was announced literally on the eve of the convention. he first couple of days at the convention not look at george bush, but digging dirt on quayle. so the new system is to announce the choice in advance, try to get some excitement and publicity when you do, and go into the convention unite sod that people aren't raising their hands from the floor and saying, what about so and so? >> arthel: we'll be watching for sure. when are you going to get your own personal app? just saying. >> never. [ laughter ] >> arthel: when you do have a great syndicated column. people can read it every wednesday and friday. good to see you as always. >> good to see you, art. >> rick: coming up next, i feel like i'm on the price is right. look at this extra virgin olive oil. it can make a difference in a lot of dishes. but they're not all created equal. "consumer reports" magazine is here to tell us which one tastes the best. don't go away. [ male announcer ] this is sheldo whose long day setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol

dan quayle said stuff like the republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and bondage was the right term. but dan quayle also offered advice for potential vice presidents saying one word sums up your job when you're going to be a vice president. and that one word is to be ready. which is more than one word. >> just ck

claims the media has gone easier on biden than past republicans, like dick cheney, sarah palin, dan quayle. >>> and peggy noonan said that biden also succeeds with coverage, claiming the daffy grandfatherly thing. all this, after another republican-leaning pundit, mark halperin argued on the "today" show, that the immediate is susceptible to what the obama campaign wants. >>> salon, along with her fervent tea party resort, recent voting shows that michele bachmann faces a real possibility of losing her re-election bid. >>> "the des moines register" reports that hank williams jr. got loud cheers saying, we've got a muslim president who hates farming, hates the military, hates the u.s. and we hate him. okay. appearing on fox and friends last year, williams jr. likened the president to, get this, hitler. >>> and finally, in an interview tonight on "entertainment tonight," president obama calls george clooney a, quote, wonderful guy. the president jokes that staffers come to his office with urgent memos when clooney is around. his wife, michelle, thinks there's a conspiracy because every time

. >>> at 42 ryan the youngest vice president since dan quayle when he entered office at age 41 in 1988 a lot of republicans asked who is paul ryan, his roots run deep and wisconsin he has represented his district since 1999. but ryan has been at home in washington. >>> paul ryan brought mitt romney to janesville worry attends this catholic church is families construction business more than a century old, when he was 16 his father died of a heart attack at 55 this man was a law partner with brian's debt. >>> i can see more seriousness has come about him is still the from the affable guy but he was more serious >>> ryan worked briefly for the family business been drawn to politics here ran for congress at 28. in congress ryan has made the federal budget his focus and for curbing the national debt his mantra. it advocates deep cuts in government spending and taxes. he confronted obama over the health care reform. >>> this bill does not control costs. instead this bill is a new health care entitlement >>> after republicans won control of the house of representatives run began budget commit

polls show ryan the least popular vice-presidential choice since dan quayle a quarter- century ago according to a usa today poll only 39 percent of voters call romney's choice excellent or good one-third of republicans say it makes them more likely to vote for romney for president. >>> his economic credentials are impeccable and respected on the hill >>> president obama and vice president biden are defining ryan the hammer and rise plan to turn medicare into a voucher like health insurance program >>> he is and particulate spokesperson for romney's vision but that vision i disagree with >>> what is get see about getting medicare and medicaid and education >>> the attacks designed to put republicans on the defensive and with seniors who fear medicare will cost them more. >>> and when need to stop spending money we don't have >>> joe touman says wrong and needs to shift the conversation from medicare back to his strength, the economy >>> these issues and the states affects seniors and a medic- state don't help them it's going to be obama it is incumbent upon him to keep focused on the economy.

many this week and asked, who is dan quayle? the people of indiana now -- know me.now the nation will. [applause] since 1980, i have been the united states senator from indiana, and very proud of it. before that, i was a member of the united states house of representatives, and proud of it. as a young man, i served six years in the national guard, and like millions of americans who have served in the guard, i am proud of that. [applause] >> usa! usa! in indiana, they call us hoosiers. and if you saw the movie "hoosiers," you have a feeling of what life is like in small towns of our state. my hometown of huntington is a little bigger than the town in the movie. in the high school and graduated from, it was a little bigger than the one that field of the basketball team in the film. still, i identify with that movie "hoosiers," because it reflects the values we grew up with in our small town writ we believe very strongly in hard work, in getting an education, in offering an opportunity to our families. yes, we love basketball. [applause] we love underdogs. [applause] b

any surprises in that race, any political future for ben quayle, son of dan quayle? any time you have member against member, primaries, intraparty primaries, it's never a nice outcome for one. ben quayle is a terrific guy. he'll have a great future in this party. he's young, has a great wife and family. he'll definitely go places. >> thank you very much, majority leader eric cantor. thanks for being with us. >>> what does paul ryan need to get done tonight? our daily fix coming up next. chris matthews, chris cillizza and maggie haberman. >>> don't miss msnbc's prime-time coverage of the republican national convention tonight. it kicks off at 7:00 eastern with chris matthews and rachel maddow. on every one of our cards there's a date. a reminder... that before this date, we have to exceed expectations. we have to find new ways to help make life easier, more convenient and more rewarding. it's the reason why we don't have costumers. we have members. american express. welcome in. o mancelar aarmeanla u obo oume tu. sueaine p psof d and -o mio wiy psof d i whi and [ ]wih

dan quayle said stuff like the republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and bondage was the right term. but dan quayle also offered advice for potential vice presidents saying one word sums up your job when you're going to be a vice president. and that one word is to be ready. which is more than one word. >> just quickly, do you think that vice presidents go on, you know, to -- i mean, presidents go on to get their libraries and things like that. what happens to the vice president? >> i think they end up growing a beard and teaching at columbia university like al gore. or run an mtv network. fun stuff. >> lefall right, dean. thank you for your campaign. >>> >>> washington minutes out for august, but there's no holiday in politics. today, taxes, the debt, and a five-week summer recess. >> we would like to have the votes before we leave here, but just can't do it. >> can anything break the gridlock? a conversation with republican senator lindsey graham. >>> then the democrats offensive against mitt romney with obama campaign senior adviser robert gibbs. >>> plu