and we didn't end up with him. >> i remember after the debate was over i asked the question of dan quayleappened to the president, god forbid what would be the first thing you'd do and he fumbled the question and, lloyd bentsen had a smooth answer and i asked the same question again, because i thought, he had a chance to think about it while dan quayle fumbled and give him another crack at it to be air, right? and he fumbled it again and, tom brokaw asked a third time and he gave the answer mentioning jack kennedy and left the opening for him to say that. what i'm saying is, i thought at the time, man, that will turn it into a rout and will be the sound bite that plays forever, this is a bad night for the ticket. the g.o.p. ticket. and i went downstairs afterwards into the press room and i saw david broder with the "washington post," a fair minded reporter and i said what do you think. >> and he said there might be a marginal effect from this, but i don't think it will make much difference and in the end it didn't make any noticeable difference in the outcome of the election. >> chris: 15

the base of his party thinks of biden the same way democrats thought about dan quayle. they consider him a joke. and republican expectations for ryan to clobber biden are through the roof. in that pew poll, 78% of republicans believe ryan will do better in the debate, compared to 62% of democrats who say the same about joe biden. ryan has to defend both his record and mitt romney's, and in some cases, those two tasks midi verge. the bottom line for ryan, he has to prove he's ready to be president. that is tonight's most important test, and one that i think a lot of people miss when it comes to what a vp debate means. ryan's readiness, of course, on foreign policy, that's going to come up as well. tonight's 90-minute debate is divided between domestic and foreign policy, and moderator martha raddatz says she will alternate between the two in nine ten-minute segments. each segment will have a response followed by untimed discussion. libya will indeed come up tonight. speaking of libya, that was the subject of a heated congressional hearing yesterday that was one part spec

dan quayle, the republican nominee, and lloyd bentsen, the democratic nominee. there are three things after this particular debate that we learn. ben, i need you again. could you stand here? amanda, come on down. i need one other person. go on that side. thank you. there is a researcher out there -- go ahead. that way, i can talk about it. there is a researcher going around taking a look at what is working during debates pictorially. not necessarily arguments because most of us in this room cannot recall an argument from last wednesday's debate. what he finds out is that if you pivot toward amanda, your opponent, the camera will pick up what your opponent is doing. your opponent -- look right at ben and shake your head no. "what you are saying is baloney ." the worst thing you can do is look down and look guilty. what happens in 1992, which we will see after we see 98, you will see that the third person -- after we see 1998, you will see the third person -- also, you can move the camera to your opponent if you use your opponent's name. just call her george bush.

people only remember one thing about the vice presidential debate, when senator lloyd benson when dan quaylehis experience to j.f.k. >> senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> john: years later, al gore walked up to bush. >> al gore tries to be the bully. you ren the moment. bush doesn't say anything. he smiles and goes on. >> i believe i can. >> that was it. it absolutely devastated him. >> you watch him go. >> we revert to junior high mentality. when the team scores. what most people don't know. bush had been prepared. gregg who had played the role in the debate, be prepared he is going to come into your face. we dismissed it but sure enough it happened. >> john: which raises the question, how do they prepare? the these two debate coaches showed me. o'donnell coached michele bachmann. they try on replicate moments. >> you have them stand in front of podium. >> you want strong. look at colin powell he commands the podium. it's like this. >> it's about making sure that you fill the stage more than your opponent does. >> they practice debating. john kerry's played romney. rob portman plays obama

the candidates are senator dan quayle and lloyd bentsen, the democratic nominee. [applause] for the next 90 minutes, we will be questioning the candidates following a format designed and agreed to by representatives of the two campaigns. however, there are america rigid restrictions on the questions my colleagues and i may ask. the first question goes to senator quayle. you have to the minister responded. you have been criticized for your decision to stay out of the vietnam war, for your poor economic -- academic record. more troubling by some of the comments to have made in your own party. a separate -- secretary of the state said your peck was the dumbest mistake george bush could have made it. your leader added to the senate said a better qualified person could have been chosen. other republicans have been more critical in private. why do you think you have not made a more substantial impression on some of the people who have been able to observe the up close? >> the question goes to whether yes or qualified to be the vice- president. in the case of a tragedy,

that was an embarrassing moment for dan quayle. in that case, dan quayle was on the winning ticket, but it was a loss for him in the long term and it became a way in which people always questioned whether to be the graves acroitas president. host: some point to and the job that and dick cheney did for george w. bush's presidency when he was able to criticize john edwards. can you talk about that moment and what it did for that campaign? \ guest: yes, that is an important comparison. at that time, donna edwards was the darling of the democratic party. he was seen as very charismatic , up-and-coming democrats who had the ability to look good on television and to appeal to the debates of the democratic party. -- john edwards. he was the fresh face and went on to debate against vice president dick cheney, who was much more senior to him and much less charismatic, but dick cheney was effectivel. he really question whether john edwards was a serious politician. he made the remark that it was the first time he actually met john edwards, w

when a campaign aide told him dan quayle often quoted kennedy, he added that he didn't think dan quayleould dare make the comparison in the debate, to which the campaign aide said, if he does, there's your answer. >>> a new chapter in debate history is going to be written on wednesday night. >> both candidates spent the weekend preparing, both sides doing everything they can to manipulate expectations before the two men hit the stage. and that includes the president himself. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who is going to have the best zinger, who is going to put the most points on the board. governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> paul ryan says he doesn't think that one event will make or break their campaign. the debate will be held at the university of denver where the candidates will focus on domestic policy. >>> meteorologist paul deanno, we could just stare at this picture all day long, the beautiful sunset on the hottest day of 2012 in san francisco. wait until you see what the forecast is for next monday. stick around. i'll show it to you

dan quayle ended up punching himself in the face. great line that comes out in the debate are the ones that seem to be unscripted that no one has tell graphed in advance. the polls have been tightening. romney is going to get some elevation just by standing on stage next to barack obama. if he ends up putting a performance that is not zinger filled, that contrasts with our expectations and ends up looking pretty good uch there, there will be a lot of people who say he won the debate. >> mitt romney goes into the debate at a 52% favorability rating with voters. mitt romney at a 42% favorability rating. i don't know how he makes that up in 90 minutes of a debate. >> thank you for joining us. >> thanks lawrence. >> snack cakes. >>> coming up, the 47% effect. new polls show just how much the tapes have hert mitt romney. and he was caught in a lie today about his secret tax returns. >>> and in voter suppression news, a big win for voters in a pennsylvania courtroom today. and in the rewrite, the only way mitt romney can win the debate, it

if lloyd bentsen destroying dan quayle had no affect on the campaign, what will? >> you took my line. i was the moderator of that debate. it was the memorable line. in maine all the headlines the next day. it had no effect on the election. >> it will be fascinating. it will be more for entertainment and its impact on the campaign. the skies could not be less alike. joe biden is almost 70 years old. he is a classic, old school liberal politician. paul ryan is 42 years old. he is the new, young gun conservative politician. there is a martian and a moon man. it will be entertaining to watch. i would not just write off that it will have no impact. let's say it is smaller than the last one. palin-biden got a bigger audience in the first obama- mccain debate because people were fascinated by sarah palin. see biden do is go after ryan's record and some of the budget proposals that he has made in the past in the ryan plans and say that is the road romney, not what you are hearing now. he will cut this program, racist attacks. it will be interesting to watch how brian pivo

the 1988 vice presidential debate between dan quayle and senator lloyd benson. himself to be on par with jack kennedy, but you saw it, benson's witty one liner, zinger, enough to slingshot him to the finish line. not really, right? you know how it turned out. hours before the first presidential debate, the conservative media are making a big deal about a five-year old videotape now of president obama making comments that some say had racial overtones. at a widely covered campaign speech at hampton university in virginia, then u.s. senator u.s. senator obama implied that the bush administration had descriminated against victims of hurricane katrina. cnn reported the event at the time, but the conservative website called "daily caller" is out with the full version of the speech, saying it's an exclusive videotape. we did cover this when it happened. that conservative website is arguing that it is evidence of president obama, then senator obama, whipping up race hatred. for more on this story and how it's -- how did this 5-year-old tape that did get mainstream media

dan quayle lost and still was the vp.re people know you can be the president. >> the purpose of the vp. to inquire daily about the president's health. paul ryan and joe biden could be president of the united states in some unfortunate unforeseen circumstance. especially paul ryan. haven't elect add member of congress to be president since 1932. so he's got to show he's presidential material. not just a passionate policy wonk who can decide the base but someone who can really act at president if the need should arise. >> that might have been the problem for sarah palin. >> one of many for sarah palin. >> jon avalon, always nice seeing you. in the flesh. >>> reminder, as if you didn't need another one. here you go, the big vice presidential debate. joe biden, congressman paul ryan, starts here on cnn live. if you can't be near the tv, got your laptop. cnn.com has it live, too. underway, coverage at 7:00 p.m. eastern. totally original. do it again. that's good. call in the engineers. call in the car guys. call in the nerds.

news and he said, no, i have to tell you, bentsen 10-1 on the debate, and, bentsen, 10-1, over dan quayled bush and i asked the key question and, i said what is the horse race and he said, virtually unchanged. >> arthel: but we're talking about momentum and maybe you are right. it will be the same thing. let's talk about vice president biden and the possibility of him redirecting the momentum towards the president and, what does congressman ryan have to do to pick up where the governor lift off on wednesday night? >> what ryan has to do is not make a mistake and it will help him to be on the same platform as biden as, frankly it helped mitt romney not taking anything away from his performance and it helped him to be even with the president and help him more that he was assertive and the president seems cool and passionless but, i'm yet to be convinced that i vice presidential debate, even a strong performance like bentsen's ultimately moves the horse race, because i think people vote for president. >> arthel: they do but we're talking about the vp debates and we will keep going with this.

it wasn't a dan quayle moment or sarah palin moment. there was nothing disqualifying about his performance. it was steady and even. when joe biden look a little offality the beginning of the debate, that's with good for paul ryan. when joe biden got stronger toward the end of the debate, maybe worse for ryan. i don't think this changed the state of the race any. >> you know, jonathan, i was struck by something said just a moment ago, conservatives wanted and expected ryan to come out and wipe the floor with joe biden. that is what was inspected of him. now they say they're not sure he has what it takes to go to the next level. >> i haven't heard a lot of that so far. no question paul ryan is not today an experienced presidential candidate in the way of barack obama is or the way mitt romney is in his second run for the presidency. even the way joe biden is, he's run for president before. conservatives definitely wanted to see that floor wiping happen. i think one thing that joe biden reminded us all of is that he's pretty good with publ

. >> reporter: and lloyd benson's swipe at dan quayle. >> i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy because friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: then there are other moments that seem to say more, like george w. bush looking at his watch. >> tell you what, 10,000 bet. >> reporter: and obama's comment to then-rival hillary clinton. >> you're likeable enough. >> reporter: one thing they do agree on. the debate maybe romney's big chance. >> it's hard to be likeable when you're -- >> you've got to know obama really well. there's not a lot of room left on his canvas to paint. mitt romney, he's still got a little white space on his canvas. >> reporter: the president will be spending the first part of the week in nevada. in the meantime, romney will be campaigning in colorado, also a swing state, and playing to the role for him will be ohio senator rob portman. in the newsroom, i'm grace lee, cbs 5. >> and, of course, cbs 5 will have special live coverage of the presidential debate beginning at 6 p.m. on wednesday. >>> constant thu

panel that night and that was the one and we are seeing the moment right here where benson says to dan quayle you are no jack kennedy and you can hear the roar from the crowd. does all this matter? >> we the debate was over i asked the question of quayle if something happened to the president god forbid what would you do? >> benson had a chance to think about it while quayle was fumbling to give him another crack at it to be fair and he fumbled it again and tom brokaw gave it another time. that left the opening for jack benson to say you are no jack kennedy. i thought at the time this will turn this into a route and be the sound bite played forever and this is a bad night tore the gop ticket. i went down stairs into the press room and saw you david broader of the washington post a long time pretty fair minded reporter and i said what do you think about this. he said there may be some marginal effect but i don't think it will make much difference. he was absolutely right. in the end it didn't make any noticeable difference in the outcome of the election. >> chris: 15 seconds kirsten, does it m

and even though lloyd benson got off that great zinger against dan quayle, of course, dan quayle becameent. we're talking about the vice presidential debate on the "full court press" this morning. and what is going to happen tonight. pj is in miami. good morning. >> caller: hey, how are you doing, bill? >> bill: all right. what is going on? >> caller: we just want joe to be joe, and keep it coming at him, and paul has his talking points and we want him to get all jumbled up. >> bill: joe is joe. he has a lot of experience and is very smart, and he is a great debater. in the senate we have seen him grill people. he doesn't let people get away with any crap. remember when he took on clarence thomas. >> caller: exactly. joe we're fired up today. we're going to the rally today with the president. the tickets were gone within hours. >> bill: all right. give him a good welcome pj. it's jb in greensberg north carolina. >> caller: good morning, i have a disagreement with you about obama and romney. i think when ryan is called out by joe biden on some of his stupid ideas, ryan is going to say, w

arguably some of those moments like lloyd bentsen and dan quayle didn't change anything because michaelkis in the final presidential debate showed sort of a remarkable lack of human affect you might say in response to bernie schultz question. >> that didn't help the game from dukakis' point of view. lloyd bentsen's line was great line. >> well rehearsed. >> well delivered, well rehearsed. what do we remember from 2008? no lines. that was not a game changing debate between senator obama and senator mccain. >> not the way it was during the primary races. one of the things that you learned from that moment with benson and quayle, is they have been watching dan quayle, this young, some would say not fully prepared senator, and not prepared for the national stage, and watching how he kept comparing himself to john f. kennedy to show that kennedy was also young and they were ready to pounce with that. >> these guys have been on both sides known each other, going to be their opponents, reviewing individual yes videotapes, studied about them, forgetting about whether mitt romney has zingers or

the other, of course, dan quayle, new to the scene, and he -- lloyd benson, who wasn't known for theen he mentioned john f. kennedy and benson took this sort of huge indig nant exception to it and said, you know, i knew jack kennedy, and you're no jack kennedy, and it became this famous sort of slice down. it was kind of the end of the debate. you look at when walter mondale was debating, and there was this age issue about reagan and whether he was -- you know, whether he was getting too old, et cetera, and he joked about it. it was after a bad debate, actually, and he joked about it and said i'm not going to make my opponents relative youth an issue here. there are things that can happen, and the dynamic really is the senior statesman and the new young upstart as you go in the joe biden and paul ryan. i think it will be fascinating to watch not just for what they say. there's a ryan plan on capitol hill that we'll hear about, and i think it's not just that. there's, what, 30 years between them. >> ryan certainly isn't shy about speaking his mind either. he could get pretty feisty. >

. >> reporter: most memorably, lloyd bentsen's takedown of dan quayle in 1988. >> jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: but beware that deer in the head lights moment when a candidate forgets he's expected to be human. >> governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't, bernard. >> i feel sorry for these candidates because there's a bunch of people sitting around a room right now telling them to do ten impossible things and then at the end saying be yourself. >> reporter: and if you lose the first round you can recover at the next match with a well executed zinger. >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> reporter: even a strong debate performance by john kerry wasn't enough to defeat george w. bush, but debates matter because it's the first chance to size up the candidates in unscripted moments one-on-one. brian? >> andrea mitchell, who by the way will be our fact checker during our live coverage of the debate

. >> a memorable vice presidential debate in 1988, republican dan quayle. he invoked the memory of john f. kennedy and this was senator bentsen's response. >> senators, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. [applause] >> that still stings, doesn't it? is it possible to prepare for something like that? >> he probably should have. i remember that. a colleague of mine was in the room when that line was written for senator bentsen. the appearances -- become parents is to kennedy were frequent. senator quayle bought those would work to his advantage. -- the comparisons to kennedy were quite frequent. senator quayle sought those would work to his advantage. >> it was gotten wrong in a debate with george w. bush in 2000. you can see gore advancing threatening toward the bush who would later win the presidency after a battle over vote counting. i cannot imagine anything like that happening tonight. in fact, the opposite. these are very cool customers. how should they loosened up without

remember one thing about the 1998 vice presidential debate, what senator lloyd benson said when dan quayleompared his experience to jfk's. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> here's later in debate, al gore walked up to bush. >> al gore tries to come over and be the bully and get in his face. bush doesn't say anything. just looks at him, smiles, gives him the head wink, and goes on. >> i believe i can. >> that was it. it just -- you know, it just absolutely devastated gore. >> you watch him go. >> yeah. we all revert to our junior high mentality, you know, when our team scored. yeah, you know! >> most people don't know is that bush had been prepared. >> jud gregg, who had played the role of al gore in the debate prep, had seen him pull this trick. he said to bush, be prepared, he's going to come and get in your face. we all dismissed at the time, but sure enough it happened. >> which raises the question how do candidates prepared? these two debate coaches showed me. they prepped president bush for debate. o'donnell later coached mitt romney and michele bachmann. they spent hours trying

it was dan quayle. this time maybe a little different because this election so close. so newly close. because we have got what i have been calling momentum politics, momentum is on the republican side. can joe biden turn that around in the debate and set a better stage for the second presidential debate that we have next week in new york? >> momentum is so important. i think that -- you know, besides the fact you have two debaters who are both really pretty substantive guys, i mean, you know, you have one who has been the voice of the budget for the republican party and obviously joe biden for all his years of experience in congress. and as vice president. you add into that their own personal prospects for 2016. give us your take on the vice presidential debate. >> i think that it is going to be really substantive and think it will matter more than they have in the past and i think biden actually has a real chance here to make a difference in par because foreign policy is certainly going to be on the agenda and that's something he's very strong on as has been pointed o

candidate against inadvertently walking into a buzz saw against a more experienced opponent the way dan quaylene from lloyd benson. take a listen. >> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did when he sought the presidency. i will be prepared to deal with the people in the bush administration if that unfortunate event would ever occur. >> senator bentsen. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> that was a complete distortion of my record. i know that won't come as a shock. it's amazing to hear him criticize my record or john kerry's. >> 30 s

. >> in 1988, dan quayle's self comparisons to john f. kennedy drew this blistering response from his opponent, lloyd benson. >> senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> the debate in 1992 was described as a free-for-all with dan quayle and al gore continually interrupting each other. >> in foreign countries -- >> just not -- >> foreign aid -- senator, it's in your book. >> vice president dick cheney and senator john edwards barely kept their debate civil in 2004, with cheney blasting edwards for his attendance record in congress. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> in thursday's debate, biden is expected to go after paul ryan on issues like medicaid, social security and foreign policy. >> i wouldn't be surprised if you got a zinger or two from joe biden. i don't think he's worried about being perceived as talking down to paul ryan. >> and the personal moments could matter, too. biden showed his emotional side during his last debate. >> look, i understand what it's like to be a single parent. when my

[laughter] >> automatically -- automatically dan quayle will become the 41st president of the united states. what would you say? >> i made a confident senate. and i made a good selection. i've never seen an unfair pounding on a young senator in my entire life. and i've never seen a presidential campaign where the presidential nominee runs against my vice presidential nominee. never seen one before. but you know lloyd bentsen jumped on dan quayle when he had two terms in the senate serving his second term. he founded the -- authored the job training partner at ship act. it says to american working men and women that are thrown out of work through no fault of their own, that they're going to have job. we're moving into a new competitive age and we need that kind of thing. he unlike my opponent, is an expert on national defense, helped amend the i.n.f. treaty. so we had a good, sound treaty. when these people over here, we're talk about a freeze. if we would listen to them, we would never have a treaty. i have confidence in him. it's turning around. you know, the american people are fai

the samier, dan quayle made headlines worldwide when he wrongly tried to correct the spelling of a 12old student in new jersey. here's part of the report from the "today" show. >> potato. >> the boy wrote the word correctly but mr. quayle wasn't satisfied until he added an "e." >> you're right phonetically. there you go. >> quayle was wrong but claim that's the way it was spelled on the flash card he was given. >> it happens. then there was the photographic backfire in the 1998 presidential race when michael dukakis pictured writing on a tank in a campaign effort to present the candidate as strong on defense. we'll little you decide. and four years ago, governor sarah palin conducted an interview after the election, a few weeks after they lost the election, moments after palin pardoned the turkey for thanksgiving and gave a long interview and just over her shoulder, a not so lucky turkey getting himself ready for thanksgiving with a little help from the guy in the hat. >>> stephen colbert needed a moment to catch his breath after watching the death-defying skydive from felix baumgartn