here with great insight, dana gunders who works on sustainability policy. doug rowe is the ceo of the daily table, a market that will sell what's considered expired food. he is also the former president of trader joe's. and roger gordon is the president of food cowboy. welcome everybody to the stream. dana, this is nuts. how is it possible that 40% of america's food is just being thrown away? >> it's outrageous, really. and you know, it's happening everywhere as you mentioned. it's food that doesn't look quite right so it winds up staying on the farms. it's food that goes bad in our fridge and it's our huge portions that we have on our breakfast platters. all of that adds up, to 40% of all the food in this country, never getting eaten. >> talk about the resources that go into this waste, the food going into the trash, there's a lot of other stuff being trashed along the way. >> it's true, across the u.s. about 80% of our water and over half of our land area is dedicated to agriculture. so when we're not eating that food it's a huge resource investment that'