started by digging up dandy lions. you don't pull them because the roots go down so you have to dig down in a hundred degree heat in the summer here. six years old. feeling sorry for myself. all my friends were out playing, swimming. i was working, i would say, why does my father hate me and their father loves them. from then on, i graduated to other things. shoveling stalls, digging ditches. digging post holes. whatever. and that was the best thing. >> he worked you? >> he wanted to instill the work ethic. because he knew, if you don't learn to work, to be more productive, to improve your efficiency, to cooperate with other people, at an early age, you may never learn the habits so you can't make a contribution and can't be successful. but as i said, i bore the brunt of it. years later, i asked my father, i said, pop, why were you so much harder on me than my younger brothers. he said, son, you plum wore me out. >> so despite troubles you had growing up, you wound up m.i. it. you said you never had the intention of wo