charlie: danial gleason said the great science fiction movies are human traumas as well.tell you more about people than they do about machines. alex: yeah, sci-fi can do that. i like character driven drama wherever it is, whether it is a thriller or parallax. yes, i agree with that. for me actually, the main thing about sci-fi is it does not have to be embarrassed about ideas. cinema can be terribly uncomfortable with big ideas and feel sort of awkward about it, sophomoric. it doesn't sit inside an action thriller unless it is making a political point. charlie: it started -- alex: i have no idea. we should not have any success with this film at all. it is a small, difficult movie in many respects as a film to sell. it doesn't have any super famous actors. it doesn't have any car chases. i have been working in film for a long time time. maybe it has to do with a.i. charlie: you say it is not -- an uplifting film. alex: broadly speaking, that stems from who the viewer allies themselves with in the film. i am allied to the machine. if you are allied to the young man, you wil