host: daniel brenner, expand on what that means.uest: the most famous case involved a patent that alexander graham bell filed for with the telephone. there is a historic argument that bell was not the first to invent, but he was the first to file, because at least the legend goes that he was tipped off by someone in the patent office to file ahead of elisha gray, who worked for western union at the time. it is not clear who invented it first, but we know that bell for a while successfully argued he was first to file. this goes to the underpinnings of intellectual property law. any of us have great ideas, think of great songs, great invention, but you cannot have a legal system that are taxed unless there is some system that says even if i thought of its second, i put in first. it is impossible for the government to know who invented it first. people can say they in a minute it first, but, state and complete department and application -- but unless and they complete the patent application and describe in detail what they intended, it

. -- and attorney daniel brenner. intellectual property -- tell us about the latest innovations and hot topics being discussed right now. guest: probably the hottest topic, which was covered in carl's film, was the debate over that on the internet. the two bills, sopa and pipa, aimed to increase the ability of copyright owners to police and prosecute copyright infringement, particularly weithorn websites -- by far and websites -- foreign websites. host: let's look at what the basis was for carl colglazier's entry, article i, section 8 of the u.s. constitution. carl colglazier, what was the most interesting or surprising thing you learned by doing a documentary? guest: the most interesting thing i learned from the documentary is all the history behind the patent system,, what the original intent of the founding fathers were in treating the system, how it worked. the biggest surprise was all the debate on first to file versus first to invent. it was originally a first-to- file system, which surprised me when i found tha