daniel carroll of dunnington was the largest landowner. it was on his land that the capital building was situated. i don't want to steal any of carroll's thunder. when i first met carroll, one of -- which was probably about 15 years ago, one of the first questions he asked me was -- why is capitol hill referred to as jenkins hill when it was on carroll land? somebody else can tell you the reason why the name jenkins still stuck. that is the connection between the capital society, the carol family and the capitol hill. it was on carroll land. our final panelist is pamela scott. this is an independent scholar that has been researching, teaching, lecturing and writing , curating, about the national capital's architecture history for more than four decades. i have no idea what she can do in her spare time. she does not have any. the capital has been the center of a research teaching and writing articles. these guys have all delved into the contributions of these key individuals. her exhibit at the library of congress resulted in her exploration

. >> this is about his relationships with the carroll family, charles carroll, daniel creek -- rock >> why would you have an interest in that? >> only because i am related to charles carroll carter and i am jr.les carroll carter know that i knew that. he was one of the 56 men who pledged everything. i could go individually amongst the three daniels but all of them were by -- fine, upstanding individuals. all of them were my contemporaries. it were well-respected gentlemen. that they didu selfless public service. to this negotiation with them, it did not work out particularly well for all of them. i believe that in many respects, it is the height of selfless public service that is being displayed by this family in general. donald: if there are no other questions, i think i will close by saying that this is the kind of question that i would have asked but in reverse. what was the reading of the relationship between the carrolls and the president? there is a famous story about a conflict between daniel carroll and peter. this was about one of the houses he was building. he ordered his wo