well let's get more now on this offensive i'm joined in the studio by daniel gary locke from zenith magazine and he is a middle east expert daniel thanks so much for being with us this afternoon and for having me now that rocca has been liberated what does this mean for the so-called islamic state. the so-called islamic state has lost its both both of its symbolic and at the same same time structural capitals mosul in iraq and iraq and syria which was much more symbolic capital since it was the capital of the of the killing of an irishman and they made this a story call references of course but they have a lot left and lost a stronghold in syria but this doesn't come unprepared for them they know it's a long time since months that rocket would fall and they have to place their you can say essential or non-essential staff their commanders and their families to the euphrates valley and there are still some pockets and there they are confronting the syrian regime and somehow we will see who is going to the city of rockets going to be handed over my guests you know later it's going to be the syr