ukraine in so called votes, which took place in september. moscow proclaimed, had annex 4 provinces daniel glenn, hans as apple, regia and harrison. but the votes rejected as bogus and illegal by ukraine and the international community. russia says, all threats to its security forces in those territories must be eliminated. calling for the demilitarization of ukrainian forces versus formulas to sagal. our of says if those demands are not fulfilled, the issue will be decided by the russian army. or earlier i spoke to lee turner that he served as the british ambassador to ukraine from 2008 to 2012. explain why peace talks could be some way off. we've got her recognized that it's very reasonable for any normal person to want to stop war to stop fighting as to stop killing. so it's understandable everybody's looking for ways to do that. but i have to say at the moment, it's very hard to see any possible deal that could lead to either a ceasefire or to peace between russia and ukraine. if we, if we look at the ukranian side, russia has invaded unoccupied. something like 18 percent of the country kill