people like daniel hale who was basically told the truth about the drone assassination program and the fact that it was, it was killing more civilians than it was killing targets. i mean, that's something the public should should know and have a right to know. but you know, he's still in prison, you know, i think he's already, you know, we're serving his 2nd year in prison and still has time to go. the use of the espionage act in one of the things that maybe said me back then in 2002 was there was then there was a common understanding that they would not use the espionage act to prosecute whistleblowers or certainly not publishers that they thought the 1st amendment protected information that was published well over these last 20 some years. this is all with the prior understanding of the espionage act, has literally been blown away to the point where now we're, we're trying to prosecute a foreign publisher for publishing, honest, truthful things because we don't like it. and it, we can say it violated the espionage act and they're, they're using it or they're actually talking about us

so these people and daniel hale revealed the drone program. they did what they should have done just as i think i did what i should have done, but everyone has paid a penalty. very heavy penalty nodded my chase nixon actually committed so many crimes which happened amazingly, almost miraculously to become revealed towards the end of my trial that kept me from having to go to prison as he had intended with the others and say either exile or prison and that just purchase. you mentioned chelsea manning, he of course leaked information through wiki leaks and now it looks like we can found it feeling a size is being expedited to the united states and weekly published, of course classified information including document exposing us war crimes in iraq and afghanistan. and publishers were integral to the information that you liked about the vietnam war. so i'm curious from your perspective, what happens if that president that you spoke to is said that allows governments to dictate what can and can't be published? well, you from a clue this way. it thr

the second is daniel hale who is currently being held in a communications management unit. been told daniel watches democracy now!, which is streaming this. daniel, i want to say on behalf of everyone in this room, you have our solidarity. never let them break your spirit. a better world is possible only because of people like you. [applause] and the third person who can't be here is edward snowden who exposed that our government was lying to us about how they were spying on us and for this patriotic act was driven into exile for the lying spies continue to enjoy lucrative careers with war prosecutors and cable news programs. you have to ask yourself, do they view those as two different jobs? after all, someone has to war sell the wars that line their pockets. >> the u.s. government knows like we know that without sources, there is no journalism. but the u.s. government is no longer content with merely going after the sources. they have made assange the first person ever indicted under the espionage act for the crime of publishing truthful information. make no mistake, the

danielle hale, realtor.com's chief economist. mortgage rates are about 6% on average now. at least they're staying there is there a positive story to be told in that rates seem to have stopped rising as a buyer, you know what you're going to get rather than having to deal every day with another higher rate. >> the volatility lately in mortgage rates has been on the downsize that is in buyer's favor, a better direction for buyers is helping to make the pricing on homes much more affordable for buyers taking on a mortgage. as noted, the uptick in sales was investors, buyers often using cash and aren't as affected by swings in mortgage rates. what is also interesting, we saw an uptick in first time home buyers it was slight but they saw a slight increase in share in december that suggests some home buyers are taking advantage of slightly lower mortgage rates as we move into the new year, a lot of people set resolutions, looking to make a move in the calendar year. i think that's going to be a big boost to home sales for those folks.

i just finished the dennis hale daniel j. morrell story. it's an hour long story about sole survivor of the daniel j. morrell he was actually rescued today. this is the anniversary of dennis hale coming. the only survivor, 29 men on board, sadly three other guys froze to death on the life raft with him. so in his interview first broadcast he ever made, the first lecture he ever made and, then the rescue of the nord mare. i've got the helicopter pilot in the same storm that plucked eight guys off of the nord mare. it's a great podcast it's called the morrell you'll find it a shipwreck podcast. there's 4 hours of edmund fitzgerald stories there, too. and it eventually a bed up have a bottle goodbyes story on too because there's certainly a lot of stories that are dovetailing into a lot of the lectures that i do today. i sure hope you have some questions for me. feel free. i drove the fitzgerald in 1994 so i know a lot about that if you have any questions with any the shipwrecks out on the great lakes. i hope i can answer it, but i can certain