stuart: well-said, daniel hannan, thanks for joining us. >> thank thank you, stuart. not apple is still an innovator. to some degree we've said, it may be playing catch-up with the new siri-powered speaker they put out this week. joining us now a tech expert. she believes, i think, that apple is still a great innovator, is that correct? >> absolutely. stuart: make your case? >> i think the case here, everybody see as speaker, we've seen bluetooth speakers a number of years. undercurrent what tech giants want to do, talking to googles, amazons of the world they want an ecosystem. this is one more foray apple owning ecosystem, your watch, your computer, talks to your phone or computer, the entire home wants to be connected. that is what consumer going for. you ard erything seamless talk together, you said our government systems don't seamlessly talk to together, in it doesn't work together it makes it more difficult. every tech giant wants to own the space in your home connected together. stuart: you think apple is part of that? >> they have been a part of that. i feel