four years ago my next guest, british member of parliament daniel hannen warned what would happen ifssed and fully implemented. this is what he said on this program. your advice to america is stay away from nationalized health care. >> if you get nothing else from what i'm saying this evening, please do not make that mistake. if there are any congressmen watching who think, yeah, it might be fair, cozier. i promise you it is worse for doctors, worse for patients and taxpayers. >> can you explain why you are giving such a dire warning to the people of the united states? >> because you are our friends. if you see a friend about to make a terrible mistake you try to warn him. we have lived there through this mistake for 60 years now. it began with the best of intentions. it began because people thought it was wrong for those who weren't well off and couldn't afford the best health care to be treated differently. everyone felt it's a nice togetherness, solidarity thing if we all take part in this experiment. the reality is it hasn't worked. it's made people iller. we spend a lot of money

a little later, we saw kenny loggins and daniel hannen coming our way this hour.> i bet you. >> we got a the lo of stuff going on. you never know who will show up. >> or what you will drop. >> we need to get that toronto mayor, rob ford in here. he would be a real character. >> right. he's got a fitness workout i'm trying to get. >> i don't think you want that one. but 2003 have an update for you on his very colorful situation. we're talking about the mayor of toronto, rob ford. he now says he's finished with alcohol and that he doesn't do drugs. this comes hours after he knocked over a female counselor during a screaming match with the public. take a look at this. he was later asked to apologize and here is what he had to say. >> i apologize. >> i'm asking you to apologize to counselor -- >> yes, absolutely. absolutely. it was a complete accident. i sincerely apologize to you, counselor. >> apologize to your brother. ford says he was trying to help his brother, counselor doug ford, who got into a fight with a spectator and the drama, i'm sure, will continue. >>>