well for more on that meeting we can cross now straights to new york where a correspondent daniel hoffman is standing by daniel festival. could this latest missile test carried out by north korea over japan. be the one that finally gets the un security council to really sit up and take action. well we're going to have to know really you know what comes out of this meeting to to really know if if this is the case. and as of now we obviously have very few details on the outcome of of this sir emergency meeting that was called. by japan south korea and and the united states at you know yesterday when we learned. that's the north korean regime sense this a new missile over japan and we rushed to the security council that the reporters at the un. and to have some reaction from the diplomats most of them were not even aware that as this event had happened so it was really a situation. of emergency this morning the american ambassador to the united nations nikki haley briefly talk to reporters as she said that this launch was not acceptable and that something serious need to needs to be down. kn

here for analysis is a man who's like literally depended on secrets being well kept, daniel hoffman, ive years in moscow. daniel, good to see you, thank you for coming in, and thank you for your service. first want to talk about north korea which is in the news, a get a lot of people saying we've got a good cia, use them to take out the crazy nut before he starts a nuclear war, to which you would say what? >> i begin saying this, we have three concerns about north korea with nuclear arsenal, first they might use nuclear weapons, but secondly, an issue of proliferation that they could proliferate the nuclear weapons to state or nonstate actors with nefarious designs on homeland and third in the event of war in the korean peninsula there could be loose nuke scenario. david: if we take this guy out, kim, specifically, isn't it conceivable that we could talk turkey with the generals who would be left alive? >> it's a risky endeavor, you could certainly try to drive a wedge and break the hold of the regime on the population and the regime on its nuclear weapons, but that is a risky endeavo

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that former cia station chief, daniel hoffman joins us.ention you have retired which is why we can blow your cover and say you were in the cia for many decades. >> correct. >> what do you mean that meeting between the russian lawyer and don junior and others was meant to be discovered, it was planted basically with a trail of bread crumbs by the kremlin? >> i think the evidence from that meeting points to an effort by the kremlin to influence rather than some sort of a covert back channel for collusion. vladimir putin wants to soil our dem mattic institutions, i think he found the best way to do that would be to tie us to the kremlin. >> it seems you're suggesting in your op ed that the trump team were serving as dupes, basically, they were unwitting pawns, they didn't know what they were walking into. so it wasn't active collusion, though don junior said i love it when offered the dirt on hillary clinton that may or may not have ever been produced, but this is what the kremlin does, they try to find unwitting pawns. >> i think what vladim

daniel hoffman and phil mud, thank you for joining us. joining us is van jones, gloria, jeffrey lord and molly. the idea that americans were going to the polls while the fbi was kind of poring over social media, as phil said, it is a brave new world and raises a lot of concerns. >> it raises a lot of concerns. but part of the thing, if you pull back, you have an obama administration that's between a rock and a hard place. the republicans spent so much time driving down confidence in this white house, stoking suspicions about this president, that here you have a real threat to our most basic institution, and the president and the fbi, they don't know what to do. if they go forward and say the russians are messing with the election, there's a concern the republicans will say he's just doing that to help hillary clinton. if they do nothing, you wind up with this outcome where now nobody knows what to believe. i think the republicans have to take some responsibility for doing their own campaign of disinformation around this birtherism, et cet

adding that both of those closures need to be made up by saturday at the latest all correspondence daniel hoffman has more now from new york. let's teach for attach responsive pay back from from washington because if you remember well just a month ago at moscow announced that it would. read use of the american diplomatic presence in russia's forcing more than seven hundred diplomats to leave the country and donald tramp actually have commented and clear that his band was actually. beneficial to the united states as it would use today the government's payroll so so they said this russian move after from last month was actually self response to new american sanctions. and i were overwhelmingly approved by the u. s. senate in order to condemn close you pose interference in last year's presidential election but also to protect against. the annexation of crimea in twenty fourteen that's a washington considers to be illegal in the state department just released a press statement where where it cool did the russian decision from last. month's at an action down and warranted in detrimental to the relatio

joining me, mark jacobson, as well as daniel hoffman, a former chief of station at the cia.command is important. no one is suggesting defying lawful orders. but the pentagon wants to be clear, i suppose here, about what is in order? >> absolutely. ambiguity is not good when it comes to the military. and you have a president who is not only being unhelpful and unwise but has gone out there saying, well, it's okay to kill terrorists' families. it is to know abuse a prisoner in custody. and then said it's a joke. i'll not really committed to that idea. so i think general dunford is clear that he wants to make sure what the policy is. and plus this would be difficult to implement and it is not clear fits legal. so kudos to the pentagon for checking the president and making sure the white house means what they say they mean. >> daniel, are we witnessing an improvisation of how agencies respond to a different president? is that a good thing? >> i can tell you that in my experience of serving in the government for over 30 years, deploying with u.s. military to war zones, serving in

. >> joining us now is phillip mudd and daniel hoffman. phil, you spent years in the fbi. is it standard practice to have a command center on electionday monitoring fake news? >> it would be standard practice to monitor threats. i remember sitting around the fbi and cia and you would say whether it's the turn of the year on january 1 when you're concerned about threats, especially going back to y-2-k, or hooking to see if there's anybody trying to disrupt the inauguration to the voting, to monitor social media in this way is a new world for the fbi. i think there are two quick aspects of this that are kr critically important. the fbi should be talking to the congress about whether there are lessons learned in terms of controlling this information when they talk to people like facebook and twitter in the future. another final point on this that is lost but critically important. that is metta data. i would want to know as soon as i saw this story, did we identify who is involved? can we identify it down to knowing what their internet activity is, and were there any hops, one

vice president and spg, former cia officer daniel hoffman served in moscow and he joins us now to explained in moscow five years and devoted a good portion of my cia career to tracking russian intelligence. this operation really is straight from the russian intelligence playbook. it really shouldn't come as much of a surprise given that vladmir putin served in the kgb. he was director of the f sb. in this case i believe he mounted an influence operation. when we consider the facts -- pete: go ahead. >> yes, sir? pete: continue. what is in their playbook? what did they do? i cut you off, sorry. >> in this case what they sought to do leave a trail of bread crumbs leading directly from trump tower to the kremlin with eye connecting our electoral process to the kremlin. in vladmir putin's estimation that would be best way not only soil our electoral process but also induce a media feeding frenzy which would then interfere with our governing process. pete: so our argument, it was less about beating hillary clinton or helping donald trump and more about insuring that from the outside it looked

here to weigh in former cia station chief and vice president of spg daniel hoffman.. >> thank you. pete: i will go right to that initial question what are our next steps following this provocative move from jim congress u.n. >> we made it clear attack on guam or any of our territories would result in the regime's destruction. it starts there with deterrence. a credible deterrence. i think we have made that very very clear to the regime. pete: it feels like the same tit-for-tat. we said we want to end strategic patience. it feels like hey, don't do that did you it don't do that how do you prevent this cycle where they continue to test and eventually get to ultimate goal which is a nuclear weapon capable of striking our homeland. >> that is the ultimate goal that nuclear weapon capable of striking homeland. ultimate deterrent for kim jong un. he thinks he needs it forefront in his mind is the fate of other dictators like saddam and qaddafi who lacked weapons of destruction. diplomacy hasn't worked. sanctions haven't been enforced effectively. we need to continue along

former station chief daniel hoffman and security expert ryan morrow. let's start with you, mike.op this. a guy jumps out of a subway with a knife. somebody else steams over people with in a car. what's going on? >> yeah. the answer and it's unsatisfactorying is you can't stop. going to lock down traffic and search every vehicle? it's not going to happen. you can't minimize this risk down to zero. and, you know, honestly, the french authorities, the security services are very good at what they do. but, this is the world we live in. and, you know, we try to minimize, disrupt and prevent but you are not going to stop everything. brian: ryan, ramadan is over. we saw one in london and about three in england. and we thought, okay, ramadan is over. it will ratchet down. it's not. >> well, there is that spike during ramadan. that's because they believe the reward when you go to paradise is higher if you die in jihad during that time period. these are people who think they are going to cleanse their sin from their lives if they commit jihad, die in jihad and that's the way they are going