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. >> all right, joining me now, msnbc legal analyst nick ackerman and daniel hoffman, a retired cia officer and vice president of spg and josh leaderman, national security and foreign policy reporter for the associated press. welcome to you all. daniel, i'm going to start with you. is trump being played here? because you talk in an op-ed that i read of yours about discoverable influence operation, referring to the picture, of course, of flynn and putin that got out, was that supposed to be seen. the meeting between manafort and a russian lawyer, was that supposed to be known about. is this a discoverable influence operation? is the trump administration being played by putin? >> i think -- listen, russia is mounting all sorts of espionage against us. some of the classic sort where they're trying to recruit human penetrations of our government and also they're running influence operations, which are clandestine, those of us very hard to discover. frankly if you're discovering them in the media, i think they were meant to be discovered. an i think that's what we saw with rt where they invited

matthew miller, daniel hoffman, thank you both for joining me. appreciate it.e way, next hour, more on the attack in egypt that killed hundreds of people. a lot to discuss there. >>> also, president trump is using it to renew his call for a border wall and a tougher travel ban, but is this the right time to push that exact agenda? >>> but first, the rift among republicans. can the gop put their differences aside to pull off a much-needed win with tax reform before the end of the year. a lot on the docket. all that coming up. give ancestrydna for just $59- the lowest price of the year. it's the only dna test that can trace your origins to over 150 ethnic regions- and open up a world of possibilities. save 40% at ancestrydna.com. ends monday. if yorheumatoid arthritisevere and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a medication, this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further irreversible damage. this is humira helping me reach for more. humira has been clinically studied for over 20 years. humira works for many a

joining us now retired cia senior intelligence officer and vice president of spg daniel hoffman is with us. you know, one of the things that we are now seeing and all across western europe and seeing it in the united states are these so-called lone wolves, now almost in every case, i would say the vegas shooter. he is a ghost. we don't know anything about him, an enigma. almost in every case there are signs and evidence that they're telegraphing what's coming. i don't know if that's going to happen in this case. but assume for a minute it does. are we doing enough to monitor social media and get those people that are saying radical ridiculous things, be them islamic terrorists or whatever? >> well, listen, you know, that's a very valid point. you know, when we find ourselves to the right of boom and incident response phase, i can tell you from my experience at cia serving overseas in a war zone, tours in the middle east and in south asia, that's because we didn't collect the intelligence that would have prevented the attack or maybe we collected some of the intelligence but just didn't

joining he me now are daniel hoffm hoffman and barbara mcquaid. welcome to you both. daniel, i'll start with you. do you buy what goldstone has to say in that it was injuries sort of he was and idiot, a pawn in all of this? >> yeah, i do. the communists used to refer to individuals who were unwittingly supporting their cause as useful idiots. and it's interesting that rob goldstone refers to himself that way. i think in this case, yeah, he was asked to write an e-mail, he embellished on his own to entice the trump campaign to appear. but when you look at it, it was and on oligarch who asked him do it and it gets back to the point we've made before that this was a kremlin-inspired influence operation that goes directly fr from moscow to those who attended the meeting in june 2016. >> so how does that conversation go, the kremlin down to goldstone? is it an actual conversation that comes from someone like putin like get in touch with this guy and make sure that he sets up a meeting? >> the way i would envision this based on my experience of having served five years in mo

here to react is daniel hoffman. daniel, great to see you.n place since 1990, sponsored by then congressman chuck schumer. does this keep us safer? >> you know, i think both parties would agree that it's time to reform if not end the diversity visa program. i mean, i think it's roughly 5% of the 1 million visas that we issue. we would be best to apply our strategy to visa issuance rather than leave it up to chance and to lottery. brian: all right. since 2007. we have 20739 from iran. 70232 from sudan. 812 from syria. i'm not saying they are not all great people. we need to know if they're coming here, who they are. they win the lottery and bring over relatives because that's the chain pry migration that we fear. >> from my experience i don't think shutting down the visa diversity program is necessarily going to be the path to better counter terrorism effectiveness. for three reasons. first of all, we do vetting pretty well. and we do it -- we apply it for the visas that are issued for the diversity program as well with database checks and per