i'm joined by daniel howarth from diabetes uk.d hit people with diabetes? the current evidence doesn't really show a great deal of information about how covid—19 affects people with diabetes. but any severe infection can cause diabetes to go a bit out of control. so we are aware of that. at the minute, though, there isn't any information, concrete evidence to suggest people with diabetes need to suggest people with diabetes need to be in the shielding category based solely on their diabetes. most diabetics are not on that list of 1.5 million people around the country. do you think they should be? the thing we need to remember is shielding is not an easy thing to do, really. to almost withdraw from society and have very limited, if any face—to—face contact for three months is an incredibly hard thing to do. so the 3.8 million people who have diabetes in the uk would essentially be asked to do that. and while if any evidence comes through to suggest that is what they really need to do to keep safe, then we would change our stance an