daniel koch daniel what a car shares doing today for was in. well actually with this news you might be thinking that we would see a landslide here happening at the franc for a stock exchange well actually the opposite is the case shares of volkswagen were at some part of the day even number two here right now they are still with a plastic off about zero point two percent i was talking to an investor a little bit earlier he told me that they're pretty much by the company to go get those negative public reports but on the other hand the company in the last weeks and months has progress been. writing very strong numbers with the record sales numbers for example in china to investors and also receiving a very positive comment commentary from an analyst today so that's the reason despite the very strong euro that we are also seeing today that shares are actually doing very well today ben what about the long term though because the supervisory board calling for an inquiry they could well be consequences where do you think this is going to go. well everybody is criticising heavily at the company we also had a statement a little bit earlier by the german traffic minister and now walks back at us announcing that there might be consequences but what kind of consequences we might see is there going to be a new c.e.o. ed walks back and will certainly not i believe we're going to see maybe something similar that we have seen in the past also happening to all of us smith remember he was one of the employees involved in the diesel gate scandal in the united states he was then sentenced to seven years in prison and at the end volkswagen even fired him so i do believe at the end they're not going to be any consequences at the top level they're most likely only going to be looking for a scapegoat and yeah that's pretty much most likely going to be it let's hope the scapegoats not that monkey thank you daniel cope. let's talk to your executive director of environmental action joe than a lot of disbelief today what's your response to this story. ok v.c. better criminal company and an organized crime with all these common affections in germany and also misleading the people and for me it's not only a scandal but twenty five individuals. tested for four hours we have a test on going with hundred thousands of people in the cities in germany they have to breath not cleaned diesel. emissions and we know that twelve thousand eight hundred people are dying every year out of is testing four times more than by accidents and traffic reasons so criminal activity by a huge corporation in in your words in conjunction with an ethics board a so-called ethics board add a german university where the checks and balances in this country. i don't understand i can't understand how anybody could accept such a testing because it's nothing of the result of a four hour for example. joining a smoking room nobody wou