to speak more on this, we are joined by robert lewis, junior, and with him is daniel lebovitz. i want to "the question, why is -- why does sports become the foundation for promoting a political cause? >> generally, if you look at sports, it is a common denominator. we are divided as we see, race, religious division, political division. art is another thing that can be put in this category. it is an out to break common denominator. it allows us to have conversations in other arenas. it is the things people are afraid to talk about because we cannot admit there are problems and we want to find solutions for them. we try to put this front about everything as perfect. sport allows us that conversation. karen: it is the entry point because everyone feels comfortable with that. >> these are exceptional athletes. the best in the world. at times, are we surprised and shocked by the greatness of muhammad ali, the williams when they use their -- for the effort and time they put in, to speak to issues we know are relevant in our communities, some are criticized if they do not. when they d