. >> joining us now from politico, daniel lipman. i want to take a listen to what white house press secretary sean spicer had to say about things. >> some people are clearly upset, but there is a bit of professional protester manufactured base in there. when you look at some of these districts and some of these things, it is -- it is -- it is not a representation of a member's district. that necessarily just because they're loud doesn't necessarily mean that there are many and i think in a lot of cases that's what you see. >> you hear something similar from robert gibbs back in '09 but do you think this white house runs the risk of underestimating what's going on out there? >> yeah. it's in their interests to say that these are paid protesters, that these don't represent real people, but clearly there are millions of people who are opposed to trump's agenda. you know, hillary's margin was over almost 3 million people and those are -- those millions include people in red districts and red states and so these people are coming out in f

here's the argument from authors john harris and daniel lipman.ald trump, a self-professed nixon admirer is learning this history about the precedence ney re in real time, his most dangerous enemies are people who ostensibly work for him. howard dean also former chairman of the dnc and former msnbc contributor. susan, you first. what's your response to that? >> it's certainly true, you have to be wary about those that are in your inner circle and how loyal they are to you. i think we've seen that a lot over the recent leaks we've heard from especially from homeland security and the state department about how the travel ban went into effect and how that kind of fell apart on some areas, but donald trump needs to also let go of some of that control to let the government work and that's the biggest problem when you have someone who is so controlling and they don't let the rest of the government function, it tends to kind of blow up in your face. >> so, howard, is there anything nixonian about what we're seeg in the trump white house or is that -- or

. >> joining us right now is daniel lipman, co-author of politico's playbook. here's a lot riding on that for the administration for their other plans, but it's not going to be easy. there's a lot of complications. i know politico has kind of chronicled some of these issues, particularly when it comes to the border adjustment tax. the plan that's in the house that does not have a whole lot of support in the senate, even among republicans. >> i remember just like eight years ago when they were saying let's get health care done by august. so that took like more than a year. >> but they did get it done. >> they did. but there wasn't as much divide between the senate and the house. so they're basically going to have to force it down the throats of senate republicans to get that border provision in. >> we had david schweikert on earlier. he said, if they have a better idea, let's hear it. american companies have been at a disadvantage. how do you do it? if the senate doesn't want to do it this way, do they have an alternative plan? >> no one has really put out huge p