joining me now, politico reporter daniel lippman. great to see you. wow, it's been a 24 hours or so. >> i know. >> there's so much to unpack here, but i think probably the most simple question here, daniel, this is -- this is clearly damaging. many of these recorded phone calls between woodward and the president are clearly damaging to the president and his book. but is it enough to shake the confidence of even his most steadfast supporters? >> well, his steadfast supporters will be with him the entire way. remember his life, i could shoot someone on fifth avenue, and i wouldn't lose my supporters. so the problem with these remarks is that many americans who are on the fence -- and there's only maybe 10% of people who are swing voters and only, you know, a small section of them are in those battleground states -- they have been most affected by the pandemic, and they don't want to hear their president is playing it down. they want to hear the president is taking charge and trying to defeat it. that's why these comments, they won't be happy with them. >