by me now to discuss is at daniel mcadams, executive director at the ron paul steer. daniel, thank you so much for joining me. thanks for me. scottie. okay, so after everything that the countries have all gone through the alliance of russia, what role did nato actually serve for russia? well, you know, the nato russia relation, the sort of microcosm of russia us relations now. and nato has been increasingly irrelevant. we've seen, you know, stolen bird desperate for attention desperate to be noticed. the by did ministration, has really not treated nato any more relevantly than the trump administration did. so i think what you're seeing really is desperate for attention on one hand and some be a little deeper on the other hand that we can get into. well, you're right, i think it's like, look, look, we're doing something, even though if it might be counterproductive to what the overall goal would be. but daniel, you know, do you think, you know, our package stated this was an, obviously, because of the response to expulsion of russian diplomats that i had to think back a