and, you see, i also learned for the first time about daniel murray. daniel murray was the first african-american assistant librarian of congress. and he had been preparing a monumental but never-published biographical encyclopedia of the colored race, prominent african-americans up to his time. and he included paul jennings among them because he was familiar with his having authored a colored man's reminiscences of james madison. is and in 1901 he had interviewed paul jennings' only surviving child at that point, franklin jennings, and he had put together some notes. so i got to see both on microfilm some of the notes that murray had put together as well as this opening page of this manuscript. paul jennings and his times. and what was interesting and what is kind of part and parcel of research so often is that according to murray, franklin had said that his mother was lady's maid to the sister of general, eventually-president zachary taylor. well, i knew that wasn't possible because i was familiar with the taylor family -- no relation -- of orange co

i also learned for the first time about daniel murray. daniel murray was the first african-american assistant librarian of congress and he had been preparing a monumental, but never published biographical encyclopedia of the colored race, prominent african-americans up to the time and he included paul jennings among them because he was familiar with his having authored the colored man's reminiscences of james madison. in 1901, he had interviewed paul jennings only surviving child at that point, franklin jennings and put together some notes. so i got to see both on microfilm some of the notes that mary had put together as well as this opening page of this manuscript. paul jennings and his time. what was interesting in what is kind of part and parcel of research so often is that according to murray, franklin had said his mother was leedy's made to the sister of general eventually president coming thackery taylor. well, i knew that wasn't possible because i was familiar with the taylor family, no relation, of orange county, virginia and 90 z

i also learned for the first time about daniel murray. daniel murray was the first african-american assistant librarian of congress and he had been preparing a monumental, but never published biographical encyclopedia of the colored race, prominent african-americans up to the time and he included paul jennings among them because he was familiar with his having authored the colored man's reminiscences of james madison. in 1901, he had interviewed paul jennings only surviving child at that point, franklin jennings and put together some notes. so i got to see both on microfilm some of the notes that mary had put together as well as this opening page of this manuscript. paul jennings and his time. what was interesting in what is kind of part and parcel of research so often is that according to murray, franklin had said his mother was leedy's made to the sister of general eventually president coming thackery taylor. well, i knew that wasn't possible because i was familiar with the taylor family, no relation, of orange county, virginia and 90 z

murray playing fdr, or is it a real fdr-like role? >> i think he's amazing. i think that he re-creates fdr in a time when danielln." we should be talking about bill murray, as well. he's extraordinary. >> high praise. so what's it getting on the tomato meeter? >> well, i personally loved this movie because it took larger than live figures and made them very normal and accessible. critics aren't agreeing with me. it's 40% rotten right now. >> oh, that's not very good. >> i know, too shock i guess. >> who do you predict will be the best actor and best actress? >> i think it's going to be difficult as always to beat daniel day-lewis as lincoln. an unbelievable performance, but the thing i love about the s.a.g. awards is that this is actors honoring actors. so sometimes you get really off the wall choices as compared to other award ceremonies. so if i were a voter in the s.a.g. awards, i would cast my vote for john hawkesing in "the sessions," an unbelievable role where he plays a quadriplegic who wants very badly to experience intimate love and he calls in helen hunt. and i say give him some, hel been. that will m

. >> daniel day-lewis playing l lincoln there, and to discuss tonight's awards i am joined by "us week" "editor bradley jacobs and a-lister john murrayumnist, and big night tonight and i know you are excite d. so let's talk about the most hosts tonight, i know a lot of people are excited about tina fey and amy pohler hosting, and i know they have put together a drinking game. bradley, how do you think they will do? >> i can't wait to see them together, because i love the movies together, "baby mama" and "mean girls" and yes, i'm ready to drink every time a actress gets choked up every time she thanks the hairstylist and not the husband. these two are a riot and the tongue is firmly planted in cheek, and they are perfect hosts and they might dial it back a little bit from ricky gervais and all of the things that got him in trouble a couple of years ago. >> yes, they have a great sense of humor together, john, and how do you think they will do? >> well, i think, randi, the double for the trouble and lucy and ethyl athel and "lavern & shirley". i think that robert downey, jr. not partake, and lindsay lohan, because of their troubles, bu