cybercenter employee, bob stazio and daniel o'connor at the computer and communications industry association. i began by asking bob about the risks of cushing surveillance practices. >> i believe really what it does s slows down the process >> hijackers were communicating with i believe elements in yemen. following that, we were not able to collect that intelligence and nalyze it. analyze because it was emanating from within the united states. after that, the 9/11 report, a recommendation was made to change some of our collection ability in order to catch intelligence items of that value. if we swing the pendulum the other way too much into the privacy realm, i think it might slow down our ability to find things like that. >> so you think if these recommendations are implemented as is, that they would be dangerous? >> not all of them would necessarily be dangerous. as i was saying with my pendulum analogy, following 9/11, we swung the pendulum from privacy to security. there is always that balance between privacy and security and we are trying in this recommendation to point to the needle to